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[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Well, no but actually yes. See the countless videos of people in Ukraine flying a DJI into a Russian airbase and just dropping fucking grenades on planes.

Also, consider:

  • We already have military drones that are practically fully automated, and we had our first fully autonomous kill decision five years ago now.

  • DARPA did some tests with an AI piloted fighter jet in 2022, it successfully killed all human enemy jets 5/5 times.

  • The weakest part of an air superiority platform is the squishy meatbag flying it. Without having to worry about keeping a human alive, you can make air superiority fighters that are vastly more capable with high-g maneuvering and more compact air frames.

Now, Elon's not talking about air superiority drones, he's talking about drone swarms. Drone swarms ARE a real threat, but AFAIK they're more of an infrastructure threat in that they're usually worried about in the context of disabling ships, airports, etc. not individual fighter jets. For that, you get Vadim to tie a grenade to his DJI.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

New weapons almost never replace old ones, they supplement. Drones aren't going to replace piloted jets, but they can absolutely supplement them in the form of wingmen. Drones won't replace artillery, guided missiles or grenades, but they will replace SOME of them.

A drone swarm will never replace a jet, but it might replace some artillery bombardments.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

The weakest part of an air superiority platform is the squishy meatbag flying it.

Only true of 4th Gen jets. 5th Gen doesn't need as high maneuverability. If they did, you'd see further developments in combat drugs and water breathing suits.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have one piece of Military classified tech that makes every plane useless. New war is never going to use drones or planes or they will lose everything.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's an anime sword, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It has the power of god and anime inside of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This guy has studied the blade while others spent time on leisure activities

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

The documentary piece called Ace Combat 7 told me that jets would win.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But how do you get the crewed aircraft to hold still long enough?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think we are going to be getting to a point where signal jamming is going to become a more critical part of warfare. A military base isn't going to allow any kind of transmission to occur nearby in order to protect itself.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is why laser targeting is a thing. Cant jam a laser beam.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

smoke barriers has entered the discussion

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

slight breeze counters your defence

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Drones could act as automated movable flack. Just get a bunch to get near the flight path and explode. There are definitely drones with a range way over 1 mile.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Or put some pieces of high-carbon steel/titanium on the drone and just let them get sucked into the intake.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The range needed could be 30.000 feet ...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the US arguably lost the VN war because they kept expecting the VK to fight like the US

why would you try to counter the jet at 30k feet?

a jet takes so long to build and so much to maintain the supply chain is super vulnerable

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Making a cloud of drone flak is very cheap and easy and can take out multiple types of threats. They talk to each other and act as a redundant pinpoint targeting system.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Elon is just dishing out the same Russian talking points as Pierre Sprey. Updated to acknowledge Ukraine. High tech weapons could never defeat Russian ingenuity.

Of course they want to talk about the massive impact of drones! Distracts from the abysmal performance of Russia's military. If these grifters were actually just neutral observers amused at military incompetence, they don't have to look to the future. Aug'22 has enough unforced error anecdotes to last a lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ehhhh, drones have meaningfully transformed the battlefield. It's why trench warfare came back; basically every inch of the battlefield is under constant surveillance. The instant a large number of people jump up out of a trench, some drone operator is talking to an artillery crew. You'd best believe that our intelligence and defense apparatus was taking extensive notes. Emphasis on was.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Oh don't worry, Russia will happily sell their sabotaged notes

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for the mnemonic.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Easy. One mile is 1609.34 meters. One meter is 3.28 feet. 1609.34 times 3,28 is 5278,63.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So you just need about six drones to reach the necessary altitude..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Only if 5 of the drones have little arms to control the next one in the chain

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn't it also depend on how long the mile is?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's 5280. It's not hard to remember if you have an IQ above absolute freezing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

YSK only three countries on Earth use the Imperial system of measurement, Myanmar, Liberia, and the U.S. The hostility is not needed.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's very easy if you remember that are 3 feet in a yard, 22 yards in a chain, 10 chains in a furlong, and 8 furlongs on in a mile!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

but what if they're above water and we need to use nautical miles?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Those are actually much saner: 10 cables in a nautical mile and 100 fathoms in a cable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Both, nautical mile and metre are derived from earth's dimensions: One nautical mile is an arc ~~second~~ minute at the equator, i.e. its circumference is 360·60 NM = 21,600 NM. One metre originally was 1/40,000,000 of the circumference through the poles (or 1/10,000,000 of the distance from a pole to the equator).

Edit: Forgot three zeros in the definition of a metre.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Ah, now it makes sense!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What's absolute freezing? Did you mash up absolute zero, as in zero degrees Kelvin, with freezing, as in zero degrees Celsius?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes actually.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Clearly at speed or altitude the aircraft should be safe, but it is vulnerable on the ground, at take off and landing. Obviously there are counter measures. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-65591023

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Jets are usually most vulnerable on the ground. This is another attack profile the air field defenses will need to guard against, along with cruise missiles, stealth bombers, hypersonic missiles, and many more.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a lot more improvement that can be made to drones (Coordination, guidance, speed, etc) and advancement in battery technology seems fairly inevitable

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Unless the improvements include making them fly at the same speed and height as fighter jets I'm not seeing the endgame.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They don't have to be faster, they just need to be in front of the fighter jets and small enough that they can't be seen until too late

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

so hovering minefields then

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Just pointing out that one mile is 5,280 feet, which is about 24,720' short of 30,000'. The fastest commercially available drones are around 80mph, which makes them about 1140mph slower than an F-35.

Oh, and how are they going to scramble their drone swarm in the first place if they can't detect the F-35?

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