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This is why the right are called reactionaries. This guy doesn't wanna make music. He wants to oppose the left.
That is the ideology. There is no through line in conservative thought besides opposition to emancipotory movements. Small government, abortion, guns, religion, tradition, and the family are not values, but ramparts and trenches in the war with the left.
"they don't want to win, they just want you to lose"
Best summary of reactionary ideologies
Agreed. Those "values" they pretend to uphold are not the core of the beliefs though. The core of it is white supremacy and patriarchy. Capitalism and Liberal democracy do a good job of maintaining and masking these ideologies. The gial is maintaining those hierarchies. Literally supporting the machine.
Those "values" in many cases come from them not realizing that they actually agree with the left on a lot of stuff but they just want a single man to do it for them instead of trusting the collective.
Ex: Most of Trump's electors don't want to lose their social security, but they don't trust the system to not allow abuse to happen, so they actually believe in something that is fundamentally a socialist measure, they just want Trump to tell them he'll be the one making sure that fraud doesn't happen (when in reality he's going to cut it for most).
I've noticed every conservative song can't quite keep their lack of skills for symbolism for the whole song. The closest they ever came was the dude singing about the rich men north of richmond, but even then, he had to shit on poor people in poor health. Truly a man of the people.
That song isn't written from the perspective you think it is. Oliver Anthony came out staunchly against the hard right who tried to take his song as a rallying cry against welfare recipients.
He is saying that we are misappropriating funds that could supply healthy foods to more people. Instead, some are abusing the system to become more unhealthy. The reason thst they get this unhealthy food is (from the song's perspective) because the country doesn't do anything to support mental health and this is their chosen outlet.
"Lord we've got folks in the street who aint got nothing to eat And the obese milkin' welfare If your five foot three and three hundred pounds Taxes ought to not pay for your bags of fudge rounds Young men are putting themselves 6 feet in the ground Because all this damn country does is keep kicking them down"
I am very dubious of Oliver Anthony's attempts to retcon his words. If he didn't come out and try to gaslight us into thinking it's about how government food stamps aren't enough to eat healthy or pigeonholing mental health in there then I'd be more amicable to his childish over simplifications and both-sidisms. It's fine if you don't know about politics, but when you lie about your lyrics, your narratives inherently take on new meanings. The lyrics were not symbolic enough to be misinterpreted. He said the government ought not pay for your unhealthy food choices... He meandered about other bullshit in the lyrics, but I guess he forgot to mention the actual thing he was talking about.
true i mean, how would he know what the songs about.
It's a classic case of, "I made this song for a small audience, and now it has a big audience." Resulting in wanting to remove things that aren't acceptable to the big audience, even if they're obvious. I feel like the right way to handle it was to show regret rather than pretend it's something else.
IDK what this dude has in his heart, but he thinks about wealth, power, and corruption geographically. I can't say he is a confederate, but I can say he thinks like one.
He's singing about lived experience in the South. Did you expect him to address the whole nation or globe? As Stephen King often says, write about what you know.
Replying to my own reply.
“I mean, we are the melting pot of the world, and that’s what makes us strong, is our diversity, and we need to learn to harness that and appreciate it, and not use it as a political tool to keep everyone separate from each other you know?”
I’m curious what other conservative songs are out there. I’m trying to think of a banger that’s even remotely conservative/political but I’m coming up blank.
Not that any of it is a banger, but kid rock and lil pump come to mind.
As they might be giants put it: "The Fascists have the outfits But I don’t care for the outfits What I care about is music And the Communists have the music"
I see, yeah I don’t listen to dipshit rock and I don’t think I’ve heard of lil pump.
Maybe I was the wrong person to ask that question lmao.
You could argue "Brought to your courtesy of the red white and blue" song after 911 was conservative. It's still devoid of symbolism except for patriotic slop everyone understands
There was a list floating around (before Trump) of songs that, with sufficiently motivated reasoning, could be claimed for conservatism. I don’t remember the entirety of it, but I recall The Beatles’ “Taxman”, and the reasoning that taxes are bad, being a representative example.
Ah yes, famed conservative musician George Harrison wrote that song. /s lol
Tom McDonald (?) is an awful rightwing rapper. No bangers to be found but he's got a lot of songs (and I recommend none of them)
There's this compilation of songs from the Cold War that are all about nuclear paranoia and anti-Communist fervor, and there are a few bangers in there, like Mr. Krushchev. More recent than 60+ years old? You got me.
Alabama ni?
You can't make music when you are that tone-deaf
"Its like RATM but we're all bootlicking skinheads."
The fact that they'd want to make a "Rage Against the Machine" band based off of political views means they missed the idea of "Rage Against the Machine" entirely.
"What 'machine' did you think they were raging against? A lawnmower?"
Take the flower back!
No, it's definitely a printer. Go print off some RATM lyrics and tell me I'm wrong.
(How the heck was the library printer out of whack last time I went to use it? Those things used to be ridiculously reliable.)
Most left/social/minority/lower-class/marginalized music and bands developed because they come from a lot of oppression and dispossession from authority and powerful wealthy groups that seek to hold them down.
Rap and hip-hop was born out of the black US ghettos from young people who were fed up with the poverty and drugs made worse (and sometimes caused) by government and authority and protected by the police. Rock, metal, alternative, grunge were all born out of young people wanting to break away from the modern straight uptight conservative moralistic world everyone was forced or made to feel to take part in. New wave and pop were born out of young people who just wanted to stand out and be heard and in the 80s used it as a vehicle for political messages (especially about constant danger of nuclear armageddon during the Cold War era)
I'm sure there are angry anxious young men and women from wealthy backgrounds who feel that their freedoms are being taken away ..... but they will always be completely outnumbered by the millions and billions of poor and near poor people who look at them as the enemy.
They are never creative. They don't have to be. Daddy takes care of everything.
Band name: The Machine
Poe's Law strikes back
“what the left and globalists have done”
Am I crazy or have conservatives been harping on “free trade” my entire life?
Nobody on the right who understands anything says that shit in good faith
I enjoy how much of a struggle everyone in the comments is having to think of a single decent conservative rock band, let alone one like RatM. If you understand people attracted to authortarianism, it makes sense; they prefer simple over nuanced, they tend to be more likely to conform, etc, it's quite obvious that their values run contrary to art.
That said, conservative rock bands do exist, even if their songs aren't. They just aren't generally artistic or thought provoking. Smash Mouth came to mind (they shilled for Bush back in the day) and All Star is still played on the radio. I'd bet if you dug around, you'd probably find more of those 90s pop rock folks orient right.
Although even trying to think of annoying 90s songs led me down a weird rabbit hole. Like, you know that song "Two Princes" by Spin Doctors? Turns out one Spin Doctor is a major atheist activist. So who knows?
Smashmouth is an odd one. Cause their songs are oddly... libertarian? Maybe? But every now and then a pretty ignorant lyrics slips through and it's like "what's going on here?".
Walking on the sun is a pretty good one. Literally saying, "The government sucks, fight back, youve done it before and deserve praise for it.". And then the last verse is criticizing presumably black neighborhoods for falling into the crack epidemic.
Yeah, and I don't know where they stand now or if they were all on board with right wing. I know the lead died recently, though. Looking is up, he moved to Idaho, which is kind of what a lot of libertarian Californians do in retirement, lol.
Of note, they had already distanced themselves from Steve Harwell (lead vocal) for being a giant shithead and uncontrollable alcoholic.
rage on behalf of the machine
I thought about rewriting a RATM song's lyrics to parody this dumb ass concept but then I remembered the only successful neo nazi songs are popular songs with rewritten lyrics to be racist and hateul, because they're all uncreative twat waffles. ___
"yeah hi I'm not conservative but I'm someone who also likes freedom! Not just freedom for me, but freedom for everyone, including those who don't look and act like me!"
These don't seem to undeestand. When you play the song of punk out, it sings that true freedom means solidarity, not conformity.
Suck the machine's wingdangdoodle
Know any successful bands that are NAZIs? I can't think of any.
Unfortunately a fair number of them in the metal scene, but there are ways you can discover if your fav is fasc.
Iced Earth :(
That’s “Rage for the Machine”
Of cource they never listen to the words... Yet the band members are rich celebrities with mansions in LA. It is all kinds of stupid. We never see those who walk the walk. As Yankee idol whoreshipers we are so easily co opted infiltrated always pulling the cart before the horse... So your low-level adversaries are really just ignorant fools. we roll around in the mud, chasing our tail. The Maga Hogs are still the proletariat. The libturds are not the rebel alliance. They got us in this situation by design because foreign policy is the only policy. And as they mix us up at the bottom, we fight amongst ourselves as these rich people bankrupt our country and set the world ablaze. ALL Education in America is indoctrination. Yankee Land is a combination of being stuck in Disneyland with no money with a North Korean control system that is obfuscated and hidden in background processes.The fear of being ostracized is a primal fear and because we live in communities, or evolutionarily, we've gotten to this point through cooperation and not competition. This is ingrained in us as a survival mechanism. Our tribalism can be manufactured and used as a tool to push forward the capitalist classes agenda. United States is a imperialist empire and fascist are the useful idiots of empire. Most people have a price. We all fear death, especially the religious. Never touch your idols: the gilding will stick to your fingers.
This is Ethan Suplee singing in the van from the film American History X.
