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[–] [email protected] 192 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I have a friend who is wealthy, well off, and a retired school teacher ..... who still argues that we shouldn't subsidize free food in schools for children.

She argues that it's the parents responsibility to feed their children.

I asked her as a teacher what she would rather prefer .. a classroom where you know every child is not thinking about their hunger ... or a class where you know several kids don't want to be there because they're hungry

She still insisted it's the parents responsibility

Fuck I hate conservatives

[–] [email protected] 118 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Conservitism is the mindset of the selfish

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago

The worst part of their mentality is that their wealth is based on taking advantage of others around them. They and their wealth wouldn't exist if not for the work and effort or coercion or abuse of others around them. They believe that they deserve their wealth because it came to them through their own personal effort alone. It's bad enough that they took advantage of others .... it's far worse to never acknowledge your role in having taken advantage of others.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Worse than that, it's the mindset of the short-sighted. These fucking morons wouldn't acknowledge the concept of government spending with a positive ROI even if you waterboarded them with Tang.

They'd rather create a shithole country where they have to cower inside gated communities to protect themselves from the impoverished masses instead of one where everybody is educated and prosperous, even though they themselves would be wealthier in the second case, just because they think everything is a zero-sum game and they can't win unless everybody else loses.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

It’s the failure of ‘me vs us’

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's cause she doesn't have the slightest notion of what it's actually like being poor.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That is the strange part .... she grew up in the 50/60s in northern Ontario from an immigrant Italian family. They had enough to get by in their childhood but they were on edge of being poor ... like everyone else in northern mining/forestry towns back then.

They were part of the post war boom years where everyone had a chance and the rich were held down with enough taxes to fund everything the government did to build a more equitable country.

They got theirs because they thought that it was all done just through their effort and goodness alone and never acknowledging that it was more social government that made it all possible. Now that all those government supports and checks and balances on the rich are removed, no one has a chance and these old boomers still believe that it's all up to individual effort to get by in life.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

They had enough to get by in their childhood but they were on edge of being poor

Honestly, sometimes people in that situation can come out of it with the most infuriating "well, we made it, other people must just be lazy" understanding.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And what was their genius solution to if the child's parents are shit? Remove even more of their support systems and leave them to die?

Sure love when innocent children are forced to pay the consequences of their parent's choices. Very ethical

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In my experience, these personal responsibility types just don't care. The children die, the parents go to jail, and this is justice because the slothful get their just desserts or something.

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[–] Worx 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

She's not wrong - it is a parent's responsibility to look after their children. But like.. I'm still happy to feed a hungry child if it needs food. Because I'm not evil

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

I understand that and accept that ... but at the same time, if the parent is stuck without a job or access to help or just isn't capable of doing much for themselves let alone their kid, why should society punish the child for the failings of their parent? And yes you can argue that people who aren't capable shouldn't be having children but our world is filled with people who probably shouldn't have children.

It's our job in this current life to help as many children as possible no matter their situation in the hopes that they will grow up to NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES as their parents and hopefully make a better world for future generations.

We can't be living in this life for our own convenience all the time ... we have to make a better world for future generations who are relying on what we are all doing now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

She still insisted it’s the parents responsibility

Ok... and when the parents fail in that responsibility, we punish the children?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Next time just tell her nope actually Jesus said it’s YOUR responsibility.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They fail understand the importance. It is sad. And you're spot on. We shouldn't punish children for their parents shortcomings.

I know I don't have to tell you this. But for those that haven't experienced it from childhood.

I'm from a country with free school lunch. And I can assure anyone that it's so much more, than just the food. In the lunch room, everyone is an equal. Our teacher also ate with us. Same place. Same food. Same tables.

Everyone is an equal. It matters. That way you don't get people who grow up thinking they're above the rest.

It transcends into adulthood and your work life. Bosses, CEOs, managers, employees, engineers, sales, janitors, IT, etc. It's not uncommon at all that they all share a table at lunch. As equals.

Your teacher, your boss, they're not Mr. Andersson, Professor Lundqvist, Doctor Hansen. They're just Robin, Emma, Karl, Billy. And I sincerely believe, that all starts in school.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

My mom married a rich guy when I was 11. That got us kicked off the free lunch programs, and the clothing closet.

So I didn’t eat breakfast or lunch from about 7th grade on. I’d get dizzy by the end of the day. It was the worst on days where I already felt a little sick.

I still have severely disordered eating.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

They’re required by law to be there ~~8+~~ 6+ hours. Fucking feed them.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’m all for free school lunches, but where did you go to school where it was 8+ hours a day? I recall school being 6.5 hours

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

When I went to school it was 8-4.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was 7-3 in highschool, it sucked lmao

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Almost same. 7 to 14:15. Add transport and getting there on time (at least 10 minutes early), and I got roughly 5:30 - 15:30.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

school years generally consist of a mandated minimum 900-1100 hours spread out over 160-180 days, with the typical school day being 5.5-6.5 hours. while there is considerable variation from state-to-state, no state 'requires' 8 hours a day.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

*But feeding them doesn't benefit me.

*every republicunt ever.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Fuck you, I've got mine" seems to be the mantra of a shockingly large number of people.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

They'll still say they follow Jesus or whatever, lol. Is it illiteracy, arrested mental development or simply hypocrisy? I don't think I've ever been stupid nor evil enough to relate...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

It actually does, but then one doesn’t like to offer the utilitarian argument for feeding children. If it has to be debated down at that level, the day is already lost.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago

But have you considered that if the kids aren't starving, they might not yearn for the mines?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This is the problem with everything in the US. We don't settle on anything or finish the argument. We're just stuck in an endless cycle of debate and argument rather than using knowledge and understanding to just answer the fucking question. Like trans rights and abortion is simply about body autonomy, or health insurance and wages is about ensuring a better more stable economy and healthier population. Instead we endlessly argue culture, religion, and price rather than progress and dividends through our actions. It's infuriating but how do we change it?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Eat the rich.

Many of the cyclical culture war issues are largely manufactured by those in power to divide us.

Remove those in power.

Educate people away from hyper individualism.

As for specifics, I'm not totally sure, but this seems a general good place to start.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

The mega rich "philanthropists" give a million dollars to some cause and they're hailed as generous. Like Bill Gates.

If he alone paid his taxes, we'd have 100 billion and this wouldn't even be a question: should we feed hungry school kids?

Fuck off with your philanthropy. Pay your fair share for benefitting from the system you helped make, you fucks.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Conservatives are under the influence of demons. If you are religious, then this statement is what it is. 1 Timothy 4:1, which states, "Now the Spirit clearly tells us that in the last times, some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons." If you are not religious, then take this as a statement of them having "personal demons" or mentally illnesses that make them greedy and make them worship those that are greedy with cult-like devotion.

Most modern conservatives are incurably insane. The purest evil fools others into thinking it is a force of good, it fools others into thinking it is stupid when it is calculating and exact. Conservatives are pure evil, they give nothing but hatred and suffering to others and the world would be a much better place without them in it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

If we're going to bring religion into this, then let's talk about how the people leading these brain-rotted christians are often accelerationists.

"in the last times, some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons" isn't a warning for these fuck-nuggets, it's an instruction guide.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Taxes pay for the building, the heating, the electricity, the teacher salaries, the lunch tables, the trays, the cafeteria staff salaries...but also paying for the food so that all that other expense isn't wasted because the kids aren't paying attention is apparently too far

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"But if we fund children how are we supposed to fund genocide and the capitalists"

  • Trump and the entire Republican party
[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why do animals feed their young? Why should we not feed our children as civilized humans?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Animals are socialist and communist. I am capitalist. Capital rulezzzz!!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Feeding kids = socialism = communism = bad devil stuff

-pretty much every MAGAT

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Giving free stuff to the rich == good!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

That is the most made-up exchange I've ever heard. Has this guy ever talked to a conservative about this stuff??

The person complaining wouldn't agree that kids shouldn't be hungry, they'd complain about the kid's parents not working hard enough.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, it is made up, he even said as much and that’s why it’s sad. It’s sad because it should be like that and that should be then end of it. You have identified the entire point of the post so rest assured that they know what conservatives have to say and they know that it’s bullshit.

In the world where conservatives, well, don’t exist(the people do but the ideology is gone to the landfill where it belongs) all of the excuses and bungus follow-ups like stuff about the parents would just not be important or said.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"The argument SHOULD just go like this"

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Nah, I've pretty much had this exact conversation with people before. Depending on how you frame the question, you generally will get this exact response.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Even looking at this selfishly, those kids are going to be adults, members of society. The better we set them up for success, the better our communities can be. This has got to be one of the cheapest investments in fighting crime and poverty.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yet they will defend a clump of cells that mean nothing till the day they die.

Once they exit the womb, they are not pro life

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They are not pro-anything, they are not even "pro-birth" as people often say because they don't allow for live saving procedures that could allow a mother to abort a non viable pregnancy and try again.

They are simply anti-abortion that's where their position starts and ends.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

This makes me think of a few years ago when a majority of french MPs voted against a subsidized 1€ meal for university students. And we're talking a full three-course meal. The savings in healthcare would have outweighed the cost by so much though…

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The school to prison pipeline starts with making kids feel hopeless.

There is a reason why Trump and his fellow traitors are investing in third party prison administration.

No. Don't look at actual state prisons ... not those. They are investing in fast setup detention facilities, presumably for ICE. Doesn't Trump seem way too interested in prisons all of a sudden?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

You can do better: you could build trains or a power grid.

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