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It's a Creative Zen Stone that I got as a Christmas gift in 2008. I just found it in a drawer, and it's still holding charge. The last thing I put on it was The Life And Times Of Scrooge by Tuomas Holopainen, in 2015 -- I don't know why, at that time I definitely had a smartphone.

It has a headphone jack, which immediately makes it better than every smartphone produced in the last several years, and it can easily drive my 80-ohm Beyerdynamic. The audio quality is as good as one can expect. The only drawback is that it only holds 1GB... my old CD rips had to be compressed to hell and back.

Let me reiterate that this has been sitting untouched for a decade and was immediately ready for action. No login, no annoying software updates, expired subscription, or remote bricking by the manufacturer. Eat my shorts, Spotify Car Thing.

P.s. A Lifetime Of Adventure is a banger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwSVOo5K_k

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I'd like some ear protection headphones that can play opus files from SSD.

It would also be cool if they had a microphone to work as a headset and a radio and walkie talkie function build in. Now that I think about it, it would also be cool if they'd also pick up speech and filter it from the ambient noise so I can listen to people yelling at me while still being protected from ambient noise. Maybe it could also work as a hearing aid that gives you super human hearing? Obviously it should have HRTF virtual surround sound and orientation tracking. Wait, it should be integrated into a bicycle helmet. Adding some eye protection would be nice too, and breathing mask that just clips on. And a head-up display for 1-2 lines of text to read eBooks while we're at it.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Enshitification has been a long slow burn, boiling the frog so we don't notice.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 month ago (1 children)

we've noticed every step of the way

That sad truth is that most people don't care

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

most people don’t care

lol, what a bad chain of takes. Most people care but what can anyone do against a trillion dollar company

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Not continue to demand. Not purchase the unethical Google, the low value Apple and the enshittified Samsung. By purchasing products from corrupt capital-obsessed corporations, people are signifying that they don't care. The good news is that the amount of people choosing ethics over greed is increasing.
*capital as in monetary value, capitalism

Of course, the most problematic companies have income from so many integral sources that it's impossible to fully boycott unless everyone along the chain does the same. Google' primary income is advertising, so block all ads. Amazon's is AWS, that serves internet for millions of systems, and the hardest to avoid.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Controversial opinion: while enshittification does exist (from ‘value engineering’ or feature regression) because the profit motive, this imo is more a case of the userbase getting what they ask for. Normies who aren’t super tech literate and know how to navigate a PC, weren’t buying early mp3 players like iRivers, because it wasn’t accessible. You had to:

  1. Have a PC
  2. Know how to use that PC to either rip from CDs to mp3 or acquire mp3s
  3. Know how to sync files - most of these early devices were basically generic USB storage
  4. Know that these players exist, and be willing to spend a lot (for the era) on them compared to a cassette/CD player

Until the iPod hit the scene, nobody had solved #2 (iTunes store), #3 (iTunes), and #4 (Apple marketing) at the same time. #1 was a timing issue, as digitization increased and home PC prices dropped the userbase wasn’t as large yet. The devices downgraded because the broader userbase doesn’t ask/use the extra features, they want convenience and to not have to think. And as they are the demand segment for industry, so goes the product - dumb it down and mass market it.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i was explaining to a college student about mp3 players and they thought they sounded like some amazing new product coming down the pipeline. it made me feel super old and super sad for all that tech companies have robbed from us

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What were they so impressed by?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

thousands of songs on your device with no internet connection and days without recharging

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At first I was gonna say you can have thousands of songs on your smartphone regardless, but I guess those kids probably aren't too acquainted with file browsers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hate that so many devices try hard to obscure filesystems even though they are right there, right under the hood. I remember how ridiculous it was to try and browse an iPod as the hard drive it was. They copied your files into an indecipherable file tree with weird names. If companies aren't trying to keep you from copying shit then they're thinking you're too dumb to understand files and folders and putting some other weird UI on top of them to make them "user friendly".

And thusly, they made kids unable to understand file browsers/systems :'(

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think at this point it's a concerted effort to make sure we're all consumers, not users

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Sony phones have headphones jacks.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tmobile stopped supporting my XA2 Ultra and I couldn't use it with Verizon. F them carriers man.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don't use cell service, now it's just an android mp3 player with wifi.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Back in the day, I had one that looked like this and was essentially built around an AA battery, which was great since you could always carry a spare.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have the same in black, doesn't even need any special software to load songs on it, unlike some other creative products.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I think it started with Apple requiring iTunes for their shitty DRM. The first few could still connect via USB regularly, but all file names were garbled and ID3 tags stripped, so you could technically copy the songs over, but had to manually restore them. From there it just went downhill.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Still have my 120G Zune and 16G Zune HD, both of which still work flawlessly. It's wild to think what we left behind

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

"Arming the nug!"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I think people are forgetting you can still buy players like this. -With a mini jack, lots of space, drag and drop to transfer music....

https://amazon.de/dp/B0CJFRSGKH

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The old Creative MuVo would pull apart, exposing a male USB connector for easy drag & drop loading of MP3s. Such a great design.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's how small things can be when they don't need a screen

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you google for mp3-players without touchscreen and you open a link like "12 best mp3-players without touchscreen 2025", you may find maybe one in this list without touchscreen.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

How does Scarlet Fire sound on it?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

The only drawback is that it only holds 1GB... my old CD rips had to be compressed to hell and back.

You may be able to crack it open and upgrade that storage. I have a similar little MP3 player with 16GB on an internal microSD card. It's possbile to swap out the internals.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Aw man I wish I still had my old mp3 players. I had a round Sony one that was awesome, I could navigate songs/albums in my pocket without looking at the screen.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I've got an iPod Classic 160Gb, from 2007 I think. Still runs fine, synchs and everything. I hate everything Apple about it - the weird 12-pin connection, having to use iTunes, the fact that it's been discontinued - but otherwise it's grand. I got it a wee Bluetooth dongle that fits into the headphone jack so I can listen on my hearing aids.

I'm almost scared to use it, because it would be hard to replace. I'm often out of phone signal range, and it's good to have all my music, audio books, podcasts etc still available. What else can do this? The Cloud is useless without a phone signal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Look into rockbox. Custom firmware for the iPod.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

fellow dankpods enjoyer spotted

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I started using something similar recently. I started buying music on indie sites and I have a closer relationship with my music. I keep listening to the same things since my library is still small. Because of that I remember the lyrics, know the names of favorite tracks or hum the songs during the day.

With phones not having the 3.5mm jack these days it sort of makes sense to have a separate 3.5mm jack device even.


The one I got is a Fiio Snowsky Echo Mini (2025) that is similarly old school - no Wi-Fi, just USB file transfer upload. Listening to music on a smartphone is mentally draining in comparison.

The player Is not such a good deal as it was before the Fiio tariff-related price hike, when it was around 40€, but eh. The battery is soldered on despite the case having a "stylistic" battery cover on the case. Supposedly on the inside it's still a standardized battery cell, so if you unscrew the case it should still be serviceable.

There are MP3 players which are simple and Digital Audio Players (DAPs) which are supposed to be more hi-fi. In Europe, AGPTEK is available (can't vouch, but see A52PL, C2S, U5PL) too. In the US, a simple modern iPod clone seems to be the Innioasis Y1. SanDisk (Western Digital) seems to have stopped making their Clip line and they're hard to find used where I'm from.

There's also a custom firmware for some DAPs/MP3 players called rockbox, here's the supported device list https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I miss Creative. Best computer speakers I ever had. Also when everyone at school was rocking a 4gb iPod they got at the mall for hundreds of dollars and had to choose which music they wanted, I was rocking this puppy for like $100 off of eBay with my entire library on it. Notice it's 30gb! It also doubled as a portable hard drive. This is back when corporations did everything they could to make a good product. Not too sure, given the quality difference, why apple thrived and companies like creative died.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

if a psp is easy enough to come by in your local pawn shop, they make for good mp3 players

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I've been thinking of picking up something I can install rockbox on for a while, but I've been getting a lot of mileage out of Youtube Music Revanced (hacked yt music app with no ads without paying for premium).

That said,I've been putting off replacing my phone (screen is held on with tape) because I can't easily get a new one with a headphone jack. So maybe new phone without, use bluetooth and ytmusic vanced in the car, then a dedicated old school mp3 player for non-car listening.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

can’t easily get a new one with a headphone jack

That pisses me off to no end. Not just the fact that Apple took a steaming dump and every other company decided to eat it, that's just natural. But it would be So. Fucking. Easy. to capture an entire niche by just slapping a minimal DAC circuit and a TRRS socket on a phone. And nobody does it! Fairphone doesn't. Pinephone doesn't. "Nothing", which is supposed to be this quirky unique thing, doesn't, but what it does do is shove an AI in the camera where all it does is crank up the fucking saturation!

Rant over, I have to go seethe alone for a bit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sony, but they fucking charge for it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I got this for my girlfriend. If I recall it held about 100 CDs worth of music—it had a small hard drive in it. Up until that point she had used a portable CD player in her car. I remember it being a little finicky, but ultimately working well.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

+1 on dedicated music players. I can listen to music for hours without worrying that my phone is gonna die.

+1 000 000 on A Lifetime Of Adventure. Fantastic song.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

You determine what’s acceptable but what you accept, and people keep buying things that are objectively worse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I still have my Sansa Clip+ and Creative Zen and they work great to this day. Very simple to use and the Clip even has custom firmware that does all sorts of cool stuff. It even plays Doom!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I've got a 1GB Insignia Sport mp3 player from 2006 or 2007 that I check every few years and still worked last time I used it. Good for audiobooks or maybe 80 songs on shuffle. I got a lot of mileage out of it over the years, lovely little bit of electronics.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is this dull? My interest is way too piqued right now. I wonder where my ~Y2K MP3 player is.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

No AI, no blockchain, no subscriptions, no streaming, no SaaS... By every modern metric, it's so dull it might not even exist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Sansa running rockbox ftw.

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