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[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 month ago (11 children)

they all got more money for rich people. did any of them impose term limits, stop insider training, or impose any meaningful penalties for those that already have a lot of wealth? they got wealthier and so did all around.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They literally didn't, though. Clinton obtained surplus by raising taxes and by removing several caps which benefitted the wealthy.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Bill_Clinton_administration

President Clinton oversaw a healthy economy during his tenure. The U.S. had strong economic growth (around 4% annually) and record job creation (22.7 million). He raised taxes on higher income taxpayers early in his first term and cut defense spending and welfare, which contributed to a rise in revenue and decline in spending relative to the size of the economy. These factors helped bring the United States federal budget into surplus from fiscal years 1998 to 2001

raising taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of Americans.[5] It also imposed a new energy tax on all Americans and subjected about a quarter of those receiving Social Security payments to higher taxes on their benefits.

The 28% rate for capital gains was lowered to 20%. The 15% rate was lowered to 10%. In 1980, a tax credit was put into place based on the number of individuals under the age of 17 in a household. In 1998, it was $400 per child and in 1999, it was raised to $500. This Act removed from taxation profits on the sale of a house of up to $500,000 for individuals who are married, and $250,000 for single individuals. Educational savings and retirement funds were given tax relief. Some of the expiring tax provisions were extended for selected businesses.

Clinton signed the bipartisan Financial Services Modernization Act or GLBA in 1999.[41] It allowed banks, insurance companies and investment houses to merge and thus repealed the Glass-Steagall Act which had been in place since 1932. It also prevented further regulation of risky financial derivatives. His deregulation of finance (both tacit and overt through GLBA) was criticized as a contributing factor to the Great Recession.[citation needed] While he disputes that claim, he expressed regret and conceded that in hindsight he would have vetoed the bill, mainly because it excluded risky financial derivatives from regulation, not because it removed the long-standing Glass-Steagall barrier between investment and depository banking. In his view, even if he had vetoed the bill, the Congress would have overridden the veto, as it had nearly unanimous support.[2]

What Clinton did was disadvantage income against capital gains further, thus preventing more people from the middle class and upper middle class to become rich through work, while making it easier for rich people to become even richer. Add to that the deregulation of banks so more "too big to fail" casino players could play in a more deregulated casino which then needed to be bailed out a few years later. By slashing and taxing social security benefits he also made it so that less people could lift themselves out of poverty, which would not only lead to more poverty but also increase spending long term as people kept relying on insufficient benefits instead of getting the means to gain self sustainability and subsequently contribute more to taxes than they needed in temporary aid.

tldr: Clinton fucked the poor and middle class and benefited the rich. He just was more clever about it.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

And cutting the social safety net.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nope, they all deregulated, supported monopolies & tax loopholes.

... all while the core infrastructure (healthcare, transit systems, tax systems, education, housing, etc) withered away by design.

Not to mention the massive bail-outs via blank no-strings attached checks (if a gov has to give monies to a private company that usually means shareholders lose their value, but not in the USA, they just get free monies).

And ofc war profiteering (& constantly killing some of the poorest civilians on the planet).

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is not true. Trump's goal as president is to stay out of prison.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Well there’s two rows missing. That would be Trump 2: get trumped

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That was goal 1, now goal 2 is excuting the biggest grifting world tour ever seen.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Now that's an infographic

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

in terms of their motives? absolutely. is -1 a better score than -5? yes. are they both in the negative? you better believe it. don't go slobbering all over clinton and obama's loafers just because there are worse people out there. they tried to enrich the wealthy and succeeded. only difference between the dems and the republicans up until the trump era was that the dems lied about being progressive to distract from their wealth transfer and the repubs committed a casual ongoing genocide to distract from theirs. but it worked- you are distracted. from clinton deregulating corporate oversight and obama kneecapping socialized health care on behalf of the insurance industry. were bush and reagan and bush junior more harmful? yeah of course, but let's not lionize their coworkers because they used a different disingenuous strategy to launder money for their corporate masters. in the present moment, of course, it's a bit different- the republicans are stoking the engine of an outright fascist coup and the dems are spoiling the only chance we have to stop it with weak appeals to "decorum" and "practicality".

so no, they're not exactly the same. one is jabba the hutt, and the other is the little shitgoblin cackling on his tail. neither will help you. get used to it.

edit: math

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rich people are richer than ever though, so at least the red party delivered.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I would point out that, objectively, Clinton did achieve a budget surplus, and Kennedy's program eventually got us to the moon (though he, obviously, didn't live to see it). Say what you will about the ACA. No matter what standard you take, that's at least a 2/3rds success rate for the blue party by your measure.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

ACA was a huge success in the millions of additional people with healthcare. This saved lives. Lots of lives.

The possibility of Universal Healthcare was dropped: this was not a goal of ACA. Most of us expected a follow up to ACA that would do that, but too many people voted for politicians fighting against it. Despite ACA being overwhelmingly popular, it hurt Dems in elections and they really haven’t had an opportunity to do much since

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Which let’s be real - the only reason there was opposition to the ACA was because Obama did it. It was basically RomneyCare. Most people (on the right) opposed to the ACA didn’t actually know why they didn’t like it - it was done by that uppity guy who wore a mustard suit.

My little brother has a genetic disorder - already had multiple, intensive surgeries by his tenth birthday. He would have capped out his lifetime insurance payouts around the time the ACA passed. He would probably not be able to get any form of insurance now because of his preexisting conditions, if not for the ACA.

The ACA’s problem was that it did not have a public option. We aren’t operating under a free market - insurance companies are colluding with each other and hospitals. There is no actual competition. Even if universal healthcare wasn’t a moral imperative (how the fuck do you keep up your insurance when you’re sick? when the company you work for fires you because you miss too much work?), it’s also not even being run by the rules of the “free market.”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

If I remember correctly a survey of people was done asking how they felt about "the ACA" and how they felt about "Obamacare." They approved of the ACA and HATED Obamacare...

Fucking propaganda man...

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Kennedy got to the the moon. (Posthumously)

Clinton eliminated the deficit.

Obama did not achieve universal health care.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Congress wouldn’t let him. The President doesn’t write the laws and can only ask Congress to do so.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

He never seriously fought for universal healthcare. He stopped advocating for it before he even started fighting. As soon as he got a "reality check", not a word of support for universal healthcare was ever uttered by him to the best of my knowledge. Feel free to correct me, though.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Did bush actually have time for what's claimed here? He was mostly about removing rights from Americans in the face of a sham war. I don't think he actually had much focus on tax breaks for rich people...

Obama continued that ritual, removing even more rights from the American people under the guise of "safety". And Obama could have shoved Universal healthcare through but didn't - he watered it down in the name of "bipartisanship", but then ultimately nobody voted for the bill on the right anyways. If that were going to be the case, he should have just rammed through what the American people NEEDED; but he didn't -- because he wanted MORE MONEY FOR RICH PEOPLE (insurance companies)

Hell, Obama bombed more brown people than any president before him as well...let's not pretend he was an angel.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The ACA wasn't "watered down in the name of bipartisanship". The public option was removed because that's the only way Joe Lieberman, the 60th vote in the Senate, would vote for it. And yes, what initially came out of committee was not as progressive as we wanted, but if Lieberman wasn't even going to vote for that, there was no way he was going to vote for M4A.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And the Americans are dumb enough to fall for the red lies every time they run.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Nixon’s Southern Strategy

Winning elections for Republicans since 1968

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The two party system is cooked.

Nothing will get better till the two party system is a thing of the past.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Gotta switch to proportional representation if you want to break up the two parties. I suggest Sequential Proportional Approval Voting for multi-winner elections, and pair it with regular Approval Voting for single-winner elections. Both can be implemented at every level in the US, and some places can do so by referendum. Lemme know if you're interested.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

Oops, all Heritage Foundation.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I love how short-sighted this is. Like, I think there are more people that are on a higher level of understanding nowadays, but still the old game still remains. America is an imperialist empire and fascist are the useful idiots of empire. Neoliberalism is a right-wing ideology. Do you think a million dollars is a lot of money? Well I can tell you a billionaire uses that to wipe his ass. So when he donates it to charity, he's just trying to manage perception. So what I'm trying to say is that the Democrats are neoliberal and they are fascist and both the Democrats and the Republicans work together to keep the working class down. That's why we live the way we do today because things only continue to get worse. The rest of the world sees us as a right-wing country. The Democrats are controlled opposition. The bourgeois elections mean nothing to me or anybody with a fucking clue. The Democrats supported genocide in Gaza. Bernie Sanders and AOC are sheep dogs. They are not socialist, but they are there to defame socialist ideas. You can look this up online. It's called the ratchet effect. So no, this is a little too simple for me. This is like baby boo boo diaper information. It's a very immature analysis of the current state of things or what has happened in the past.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay you're trying to make some good points but, maybe stop and rephrase that as a coherent thought?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for blueberry muffins in iambic pentameter.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Missed a few.

Johnson: use war to win re-election

Nixon: fight hippies and commies

Ford: pardon Nixon

Carter: attain energy independence

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Let's make this meme more accurate, shall we?

  • Kennedy: Imperialism, use the presidency to get laid
  • Johnson: Imperialism and expansion of social safety net
  • Nixon: Imperialism and a one-party state (But oddly gave us the EPA)
  • Reagan: Make the rich wealthier, destroy unions, kill the gays
  • Bush: Imperialism, making the rich wealthier and destroying unions
  • Clinton: Imperialism, increase corporate power under the guise of 'free trade', suppress the gays
  • Bush II: Imperialism, make the rich wealthier, eliminate the right to privacy, militarize the cops
  • Obama: Imperialism, make the rich wealthier, make health care more expensive, militarize the cops
  • Trump: Imperialism (though oddly less so), make the rich wealthier, militarize the cops
  • Biden: Imperialism, make the rich wealthier, militarize the cops, ignore food becoming cost-prohibitive
  • Trump II: Destroy everything, make the rich even wealthier, especially himself
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You're missing "brazen, bold-faced racketeering and sedition, stuff the judiciary" under trump 1. Also, saying that Obama's "goal" was to make healthcare more expensive smells like bullshit. Let's see some sources on that. Flawed and imperialistic though he may be, Obama put a good faith effort into taking the first step toward a socialized healthcare system, and was completely hamstrung by obstructionism. Finally, you need to put "subvert soviet imperialism, fuck over puerto rico, and engage in international scientific dick-sizing contests" under Kennedy. Other than that, and the fact that you skipped a few presidents in there (like "Carter: Try (and fail) to balance being a good human being with being the head of a jingoistic imperialist nation in the middle of a dick-sizing game of Connect4 where the countries of the world are the playing field and refusal to play could mean nuclear annihilation"), no further notes.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure they all overwhelmingly achieved the same goal for the rich, it's really very dishonest not counting Clinton at least at around the same level as Regan.

(Well, Kennedy had that car accident, so perhaps he didn't end his term fully.)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

Reagan dropped the highest individual rate from 50% to 28%

Clinton raised it to 35%, increased tax on gasoline and removed a lot of upper limits.

It's the fakest shit to say they're all on the same team.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Weird cuz a lot of things Clinton did seem to be more money for rich people too

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah let me ignore all the atrocities that blue presidents committed abroad, those don't count since its brown people

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But but Donny gonna send us $5k by Febru-sprin-summer!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Dems: More money for millionaires. Reps: More money for billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I like former President Obama, but his ACA was half baked. It is not even close to the healthcare system in Germany and other EU members.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

Blame Republicans and a couple of Democrats. Yes, it was half-baked, but it was also almost defeated, and later almost repealed. The alternative of "nothing" is so much worse.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, just skip over genocide joe. lmao.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Arguably, all were successful except Obama.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was too partisan I think. The ideals of universal Healthcare were not fully realized but definitely did expand Healthcare access, which isn't enough.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There were a couple corporate dems that ratfucked progress

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