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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I pursued an engineering BSc with the desire to emigrate but got distracted by the success of SpaceX and wooed by the challenge of Mars colonization. Then the US health insurance industry got in the way, I failed out and didn't make it back until COVID. I graduated in 2022 with the first university degree in my family but was crippled by student loan debt and unable to save to leave. Was finally able to escape the rural Midwest a year ago and made it to a city with plenty of aerospace companies right as everyone stopped hiring. The cherry on top was the CEO of the company whose engineering feats initially inspired me throwing fascist salutes at inauguration.

Odd jobs and parental support have mostly kept me afloat, but they can't help forever and I am a few months out from having to move back. The military industrial complex slid into my DMs recently with the offer of a fat paycheck and loaded resume in exchange for my ethics and morals. They even dangled a carrot of potential transfer to a NASA climate science project after the contract is up, but I'll be surprised if it's still funded by then. Frankly, I broke down when I realized the project I'd be working on.

I'll hear back about the position early next week and I'm desperately hoping it's a no and I'm back to the drawing board, but if it's a yes I'll be starting in a couple weeks. The BBB will very likely lead to losing the best, most effective and enabling healthcare I've received so far, and the salary would cover the insurance plan I'd need to maintain that care. Its a short contract and the salary would also enable me to save enough to emigrate but I already feel compromised. I've dreamed of contributing to space exploration and am instead being bullied into contributing to it's militarization by a country I've opposed for the entirety of my adult life.

I've looked into joining the Ukrainian Foreign Legionnaires and would much rather contribute to European defense against Russia, but I honestly just want to pursue an MSc or even PhD and turn my brain towards mitigating and adapting to climate change. I've worked so fucking hard, dreamed so fucking big and bounced back from defeat time and time again for this? Fuck.

Tl;dr: Masters/PhD in Sweden or Germany but barring that I'll work for any European defense company that will take an american immigrant.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Why is the difference between immigrant and ex patriot?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's relative to the country - you expatriate from your country of origin, and become an immigrant to a new host country.

Expatriate and emigrate are more or less synonyms.

ex patriot

That's what I became when the Nazis took over as a result of being overwhelming popular to US voters. Turns out it's not just a handful of powerful fuckers taking advantage of the rest of us: 'we the people' are, for the most part, just evil.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

No, the difference is whether you are just residing outside your home country or actually immigrating to the new country. It is the difference between a vacation and moving somewhere. It is more along the lines of external patriot than former patriot.

Someone who still sees themselves as a citizen of their home country and just happens to live elsewhere is an expat. So an American living in Mexico is an expat, no matter what their length of stay is. If they immigrate, they are moving permanently and they see themselves as a part of the new country, either by seeking citizenship or claiming that as their 'home' as part of their identity.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

I'm an antinationalist with regards to usa. No

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

Hey. If yanks get get to Canada, and get in, I'm sure we'd love to have ya.

There's a catch: if you're not fleeing persecution, you're gonna need a skill. It bumps up your score on the big calculation they do, and if you can keep doing the skilled work you may one day afford to live somewhere other than winnipeg.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the country i was to go to is the imagined America of our ancestors like Langston Hughes, the land of equality and opportunity and liberation and diversity, full of immigrants working for their own and their shared futures

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

Is there a sign-up sheet?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

Dream country? Monaco, lol. But more realistically either Canada, Australia or New Zealand

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Non-Muricans, what's the thought on accepting US refugees?

Stand and fight, you cowards.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're condemning a lot of innocent people to die.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Cut the histrionics. Americans aren't being massacred. They are only asked to go to some minor inconvenience to uphold their country's democracy.

The distance between Chicago and Las Vegas is greater than between Berlin and the Russian front line in Ukraine. Are Germans supposed to feel pity for you poor darlings?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I used to say this a lot, but the longer i live, the more i understand that "stand and fight" requires a lot of will power, especially when you have to rub shoulder with the jarring issue daily, the very issue that makes you want to leave, and the authority doesn't give a single fuck about it after countless report. In any case, it's the lost of faith toward the fellow countrymen, not the administration.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

I would go back to Japan if my partner could/would learn the language.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Portugal, though I doubt they want Americans any more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry to be an idiot but what recently happened to make Portugal not want Americans?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Not OP, but probably because they've had a lot of immigration in recent years and it's made their housing situation worse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

That is it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

Spain is in the same boat

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago

Probably Romania, cheap cost of living while still being in Europe and being a part of NATO.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

New Zealand is quite lovely; I could afford it and I’m on the expedited list of specialties. Can’t leave the kids, though, so I’m stuck watching the ship go down.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago

Saint Kitts and Nevis. Economy sucks, internet too, but you can't beat the view.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

I'd be in Aukland now if I hadn't met my partner between deciding in 2021 and the election. She is a refugee and can't leave or she'll lose status. She is a political enemy of her government for advocating for democracy there. Did a phone interview and everything.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm thinking either Finland or Norway. But the only way I could ever emigrate to either of those countries would be as an asylum seeker. I don't make enough money, nor do I have any skills they want. I've got plenty of skills...just not any that are in 'high demand'.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

If I could live in no country I’d be so happy. But the only place to do that is a desert in Africa and my natural habitat is temperate forests.

So I guess Canada.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Canada, I'm a citizen there as well

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Dream? Hard to say since I've never been outside the US. Maybe Ireland?

Reality? Pretty much anywhere that I would have the opportunity to make a living.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Canada, Iceland, New Zealand, or Germany, in no particular order. Then again, of those 4, I've only been to Canada.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In this thread: unimaginative white people mentioning popular European countries or places that will not welcome them due to restrictive and xenophobic immigration policies. Meanwhile I'll be content in Chile, Faroe Islands, Guam or Jordan.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even though things aren't going as they should, I wouldn't be likely to leave. I don't agree with a lot of what's happening here, but there's no nation I know that supports more of my beliefs and lifestyle than the USA. Plus, my family, my friends, and my loved ones are all here. Leaving would mean losing them, and that's totally unacceptable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Can you expand on your beliefs and lifestyle?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

Not easily at the moment. I'll probably come back and give you some answers if I remember.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I don’t want to start over. I’d rather die.

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