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[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 81 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And more to the point, no one stumbles into an extreme-right event, gives a hyper reactionary speech, and does two nazi salutes by mistake.

The media that's helping Musk gaslight everyone should be ashamed of themselves.

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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 80 points 2 months ago

This dude practiced in front of a mirror.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's really important to remind people who are defending Musk what he was doing in Germany just a few days before this salute.

He was fucking defending Nazis.

This salute was no accident.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

Even Musk hasn't claimed it was an accident.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 72 points 2 months ago (40 children)

Just went to LinkedIn just to see bottom of the barrel bootlickers defending him.

” He’s autistic”, ” that picture is taken out of context”, ” it’s a Roman salute”, ” look at these out of context pictures of other politicians making the gesture”, ” how can he be a Nazi if he supports Israel?”

No he did a full on deliberate Nazi salute at a far right event.

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

there is no proof in roman writing or painting of this salute, there is no doubt about Musolinis fascist movement using it in 1919 and later the german nazis adopting it

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[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm autistic, I've never done this gesture. Everyone's different, of course, but I've never seen anyone at all do this by accident. I've seen the defence that it's a "from my heart to yours" gesture, but if that was true, it would be palm up. Palm up is the giving gesture. Palm down is a saluting gesture.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, excusing it by saying he's autistic is ableist by itself. We're not incapable of understanding dog whistles or concepts, you know?

Especially when people in the same breath call Elon a genius. You can't have it both ways. Either he's clueless and shouldn't be in a position of power, or he's actually a nazi.. and shouldn't be in a position of power

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[–] BerenstainsMonster@kbin.earth 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Roman salute is also known as the fascist salute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute

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[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I’m genuinely curious: who the fuck defends Elon and Nazis on LinkedIn? Are we so far divided as a country that it’s ok to associate employment with a penchant for Nazism?

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[–] AllOutOfBubbleGum@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Anegro_Montoya@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 months ago (3 children)

How fucking scary is it that the richest person in the world is a fucking nazi piece of shit and now one of our supreme leaders? If you ask the people around me, "meh."

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Honestly none of them strike me as true adherents. They just go whichever direction looks like it will give them more power or money. If there is a next administration or some BLM like cause comes back in vogue you'll see them out there preaching to that choir as if they had always supported that cause.

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I was talking about this with my friend and she was like, "I heard it's just a Roman Salute." Be ready to be surprised at how many people will defend this crap.

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

everybody calls it a fascist salute, except for fascists who call it a roman salute

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

That's what I told her. I let her know that anyone trying to correct her with that is trying to play games.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It really is sad how many things that little fuck nugget has ruined. In this particular instance I mean Hitler.

Swastika? Neat, simple little geometric shape. Independently created by a few different cultures. Ruined.

"Roman salute"? Kinda neat looking, again simple. And again probably independently invented in a few places, but definitely Roman. Ruined

The charlie Chaplin mustache? More widely adopted after WWI as a style that would fit under a gas mask. Ruined

I'm not trying to campaign to rehab any of these things or apologize for musk. Just kinda sad how all this cool shit got tainted.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

This springs to mind:

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity

Thus begins four years of trolling. Did he? Didn’t he?

[–] arandomthought@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 months ago

Billions of people, including those in high positions and with cameras on them all the time wake up every day, go about their business and then go to bed in the evening without even once doing a nazi salute by accident throughout their day. It's not that hard actually. I'm on a pretty great streak since my birth as well and it's really easy.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That one was actually trying to be sneaky, kind of. Ah, more innocent times I suppose.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Plausible deniability may be sneaky but certainly isn’t innocent.

[–] nxn@biglemmowski.win 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I saw a nazi just as clearly as you saw a nazi. And no, we did not just see a nazi salute, we saw a complete nazi piece of shit. There's no more to this story, nothing here is up for debate.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I think we need to include the reaction from Musk on this topic. Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The “everyone is Hitler” attack is sooo tired 😴.

Not even Musk is denying the salute. He just doesn't want to be called Hitler.

[–] Gelcube69@reddthat.com 20 points 2 months ago
[–] LwL@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Someone might, but sure as fuck not twice in a row.

I mean I did once accidentally do one because i was just trying to wave to people sitting on the ground and automatically adjusted my hand angle to be flat towards them and did not realize what I just did until they pointed it out. "Slightly" different context though.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I wouldn't rule out mistakenly doing the salute. But you don't mistakenly do it twice and then not apologize for doing people considered to be a nazi salute. Even if you do it once and you don't apologize after being called out you're a nazi. It's such a taboo thing that you'd be apologetic or at the very least remorseful or ashamed. Musk is none of those things.

And to anyone defending Musk, if he pulled out his dick and swung it around on stage and then doesn't show any remorse for showing his dick, would you think it was accidental?

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