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Notice how all those bot accounts that were so active leading up to the election have completely vanished from the internet now? Yeah.

80% of Israelis support ethnic cleansing of Gaza. If they actually attempt it, what makes you think Biden/Kamala would have tried to stop it?

I think the only difference is that Trump would cheer on the cleansing while Kamala would have tut tutted about it.

Kamala isn't dead. She hasn't fallen off the face of the Earth. Has she released any statement even now condemning the idea? She doesn't even have to fear AIPAC anymore. She has nothing to lose in condemning the idea. If she won't even release a statement condemning it now, what makes you think she would have lifted a finger to prevent it if she had been elected?

That was the whole point of the uncommitted movement. The only difference between Trump and Kamala's Israel policy is that Trump vocally supports war crimes, while Kamala quietly supports them.

I’m sorry, but were the democrats stopping the thing?

Stop framing this like this is on the people who didn’t want the genocide to happen. It’s such a weird victory lap I see people here taking. Without fail.

News: something horrible has happened in Gaza.

a bunch of people on lemmy: I was so right.

You’re reading news about people being ethnically cleansed and you’re patting yourselves on the back. What in the fuck.

The establishment US and the ownership class are all-in on this genocide. We are exactly where we would’ve been if Kamala had won. They all support Israel. The democrats just had to do some surface level finger wagging because they knew they were relying on the votes of a bunch of people who see how genocide for what it is. They were lying to you and you’re acting like Israel and the Palestinians aren’t on the same exact path they would’ve been had Kamala won.

You all are sick for taking these horrible stories as some kind of victory. The ownership class is pitting you against republicans, and you against the people who didnt vote exactly like you did in an election. And why was that? Because the people you voted for were enabling a fucking genocide.

As was said elsewhere, history won’t be kind to Biden, trump, Kamala, and Netanyahu. But it won’t be kind to the people who were looking the other way to vote for the enablers.

We were handed a shit sandwich. We all had zero good choices. So some people decided they couldn’t bring themselves to vote for enablers of genocide. That isn’t an incorrect decision. Stop fighting the people who—I mean, I’m assuming(?) you don’t support the genocide…—want to see the genocide end. Because what could you possibly be getting out of that but all these back pats you’re giving yourself?

The "uncommitted folks" had nothing at all to do with this. You should've been uncommitted in the primaries if you don't actively support genocide. Who you vote for in the generals is a different matter, but are you seriously saying people who supported more progressive options over biden when there was literally no danger or downside to it are responsible for trump? Bc they committed the sin of empathy and supported palestine? Even if they still voted kamala?

But they didn't promise to stop it, so voting for fascism was the only alternative!

What would a Democratic win have changed here? Have you already forgotten then 15 previous months where Democrats were sending Israel cash, jets, 2,000lb bombs, arms, and every other tool they needed to continue their genocide?

What evidence do you have that Kamala would have opposed this idea as president? Has she released any recent statement condemning the idea? It's actually a lot easier for her to do so now than it would have been with her as president. She's a private citizen now; she need not fear AIPAC campaign dollars. She need not fear offending Biden. She's not lifting a finger to condemn the idea now, when she faces zero downside in doing so. What makes you think she would have opposed it as president?

Sure, Trump is a lot more vocal in his support of ethnic cleansing than Kamala would have been. But I think Kamala would have simply looked the other way and refused to intervene if Israel attempted it. I see zero indication in her actual behavior that she would have intervened if she was currently president.

The Dems are constantly held to a vastly higher standard. This was true when trump first came to power too.

Hillary: competent politician, could have smiled more maybe, no big changes.

Trump: grab em by the pussy, pay hush money to porn stars, ramble incoherently.

Public: what about her emails?