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The EU foreign policy chief has declared that “the free world needs a new leader”, as European leaders threw their support behind Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, after the stunning White House confrontation between him and Donald Trump.

Leaders from across Europe expressed their solidarity with the Ukrainian leader after the fractious exchange with JD Vance, the US vice-president, and Trump, who claimed he was not “ready for peace” and accused him of “gambling with world war three”.

Although in general, the European leaders did not name the US president, their comments late on Friday laid bare the gaping rift between the US and its traditional allies in Europe over the war in Ukraine.

In a social media post, Kaja Kallas, the EU high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, wrote: “Ukraine is Europe! We stand by Ukraine. We will step up our support to Ukraine so that they can continue to fight back the aggressor.

“Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge.”

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[–] [email protected] 210 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This isn’t about supporting Europe or NATO or Ukraine. This is about not capitulating to a hostile dictatorship that likes to invade other people‘s territories without provocation. 

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Exactly. How much of your country and resources will you be willing to give up when Russia and their useful idiot comes knocking? If the answer isn't everything, you should probably help Ukraine make a stand now before the "peace deal" results in loosened sanctions and before Russia starts to re-arm.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's always the same thing, a state that used to work "together" with russia no longer want's to be a slave to russia and work with other countries.

Russia doesn't want that, so they attack.

It happened to Georgia before it happened to Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I can’t find it right now, but there was actually an interview where someone asked Donald Trump about the Russian invasion of the Crimea area and he didn’t know how to respond & came off sounding like a complete dickhead 

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[–] [email protected] 139 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump just proved that he isn't even capable of running a meeting, much less a country.

Even if we ignore everything else about Trump, scandals, history, etc. that meeting alone showed he is incapable of meeting the requirements of the office.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

symptoms of alzheimer should be showing up soon like his father.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wdym "soon". They've been visible for a while now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

This is exactly what my great grandma went through

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[–] [email protected] 134 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is what REAL strength looks like...not the pseudo-macho bullshit that Trump and Vance just tried to pull.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

More than weakness, it stinks of incompetence. Vance was obviously there to start a fight to make Zelensky look bad so they could leverage him.

Except they were so obvious about it that he came off as the winner. They cannot even set a proper trap (thank God).

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I've been trying to think what the Trump / Vance plan was. Like you said, it was obvious that Vance was there to pick a fight. But I couldn't tell if they were legitimately trying to blow up diplomatic relations like they did, or if they thought they were going to get the upper hand in exploring Ukraine for their natural resources.

Either way, it was disgusting to watch.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But I couldn't tell if they were legitimately trying to blow up diplomatic relations like they did, or if they thought they were going to get the upper hand in exploring Ukraine for their natural resources.

It was a show for Putin. A test of loyalty.

Just look at how they spoke of Putin as if he was reasonable and had reason to be upset with Zelenskyy. Meanwhile, they treated Zelenskyy as if he was the problem.

Trump still denies calling Zelenskyy a dictator... From a few days prior.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

disgusting to watch

Many people said they were embarrassed for the U.S.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Do these imbeciles realize that they are making America look the weakest it’s ever been? No they don’t because they’re a bunch of dumbasses.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago

Weak, untrustworthy, and difficult to even be allies with.

There are very few, if any, world leaders who acted as unhinged as dumb and dumber did.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Like Trump has said before, only he matters.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

In a way jt is fascinating to watch the US goverment dismantle their empire on fast forward. With this single "conversation" they undermined every security deal they had anywhere in the world.

Wonder if some hardliners from CIA or such will decide to sort out this threat to their power, or will they just accept going down.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

With this single "conversation" they undermined every security deal they had anywhere in the world.

I disagree. If it was a single conversation the world would be shocked but they could still cover it up. Politicians say dumb shit and walk it back all the time.

It's the fact that his first term was already such a blundering mess in terms of diplomacy, combined with the fact that he somehow got re-elected, the accelerating bullshit ever since and now finally this mess. If they hadn't been chipping away at any international goodwill so thoroughly, the response would be closer to "I can't believe a US president would say that" rather than "the US as a whole is no longer reliable".

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Deep state is having a nap I guess.

I don't mean that facetiously, honestly surprised the CIA is just chill with everything.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They don’t have a problem with fascists. They don’t have a problem with idiots. They have a problem with leftists who want to make the world a better place.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I get that their main goal is keeping the proles down, but you'd think there'd be some protection of american hegemony and soft power, it has made a small group of people a lot of money and given them outsized influence of the world.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Wonder if some hardliners from CIA or such will decide to sort out this threat to their power, or will they just accept going down.

They kind of have to do something, if they don't they'll probably end up being "doged" for lack of accomplishments.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

If anyone wants to show their feelings this is a great time to donate to Zelensky's fund to help Ukraine.

I hope it blows up and next time he's at the white house Zelensky can use his time in front of the media to thank us for donating huge amounts... biggest donations ever seen... Lol

https://u24.gov.ua/projects

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

How do I know that is an official or direct donation

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

that site sits on .gov.ua, this is for various official things for government of Ukraine

like with any other country that has such presence

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago

I was skeptical too so I looked it up, it's real: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United24

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Because Luke Skywalker said it's legit? https://youtu.be/jDEqM3-hQuQ

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

Also worth noting, a lot of public radio stations / NPR affiliates are doing their winter public pledge drives right now, and money will help them fund off defunding and legal attacks from the Trump administration.

If you like what little good journalism we have left in America. Donate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Just donated!

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hungary's Orban stands alone with Trump, as Europe unites behind Ukraine.

🐱🐱🐱🐱

[–] RamblingPanda 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We should really form Europe 2, with every member except Hungary.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Today is hungary, but it could also easily have been France, Austria or Germany. We need to learn a new way to counteract to forign states Mischung in the EU. If we dont, we are condemned.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 weeks ago

‘Merican here. Sorry EU. But you’re gonna have to take the lead here, I think. And I’m glad you are.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I do hope that Trump is the galvanizing force that pushes the people of the EU (and perhaps others) towards Ukraine support, as well as everything else Trump and the right hate. The far right is gaining too much support, but if your average right leaning or moderate EU citizen sees just how bad it's working out for the US, it might chill that movement a bit. At least, I hope so.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't think the right-leaning EU citizens recognise this as a problem with the right. It's too easy to say this is "an America specific problem" and "We'd never vote in a dumbass such as Trump."

I honestly think this kind of learning will happen here absolutely not at all.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

No matter how this shakes. The damage is done. No matter what happens going forward nobody can or should trust the US to be a reliable partner in any way. Not economically or militarily because we're psychotic. Nationally bipolar. You might get a stable trustworthy partner in one election only to get an insane wannabe dictator in 4 years time who flips the table and burns all the bridges. You can't trust us with anything on a longer timeline than 2-4 years. And that is the surest path to international irrelevancy.

This will be "The Moment" spoken about in history books where US Hegemony collapsed. Count on it. Because no matter what happens. This is the new paradigm. We cannot be trusted.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's crazy. So americans are full on terrorists now? They should be put on a flight risk list so no one has to deal with them except themselves

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That'll trap vulnerable people in the States, potentially to be lynched. Much as I would love to support a blanket, don't allow crazy out of crazytown, there's sane people trapped there that should be allowed to flee.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Well, yeah, but that happened back in the '60s with Vietnam. What we're seeing here isn't America becoming the villain, it's America becoming the kind of incompetent villain that even their minions turn on.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

"Its a nation of tiny trumps, that would fuck their own mothers if it got a rich man's grin." I believe I read on reddit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

It certainly was a kick to the European diplomatic nuts and removed any doubt if reasonable negotiation is possible. Niet l now it's clear on what they're dealing with for the war, NATO and trade.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Wouldn't "mount support" instead of "throw" have been a better choice of words? Writing style aside, I hope Europe gets together and pushes the Ruzzians out of Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

I'm hoping Ukr gets an EU membership out of this at the minimum. They're going to be blocked from NATO by US and Turkeye

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

To "throw support behind" is a common expression. It implies vigour in a way that "mount support" does not, so I think it's a good word choice.

https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/213037/how-to-understand-throw-in-throw-support-behind#213038

https://phrasedictionary.org/idioms-for-support/

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Are they going to send European weapons, or will they buy American weapons and send them to Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Each will send their old or excess stock, or newly manufacturer weapons.

Some of the old stock may include weapons bought from the US previously, but it's very unlikely Europeans will be buying new weapons and supplies from US to give to Ukraine. France, Germany Italy, Spain and the UK all have significant arms manufacturing ability and have ability to scale up quickly. (Reference)

Many European leaders (including business leaders) are extremely reticent to enter into new supply deals of any kind with the US given the recent trade volatility.

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