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Instant Win American Bingo Card:
B. Loaded handgun in the car. I. Total disregard for road safety. N. Convicted criminal pardoned by convicted criminal president. G. Mental health crisis resolved by cop shooting. O. Legally justified homicide.
We're doing great. Good job all around, no notes.
The cop prevented the driver from committing suicide.
Hero.
For reals though, ain't no way I'm letting a clearly deranged j6er grab a gun near me no matter what he says. Definitely a clean shoot (as evidenced by the fact they immediately released the bodycam footage).
Only so he could go to heaven
Ftfy
Instant Win American Bingo Card:
B. Loaded handgun in the car.
I. Total disregard for road safety.
N. Convicted criminal pardoned by convicted criminal president.
G. Mental health crisis resolved by cop shooting.
O. Legally justified homicide.
We're doing great. Good job all around, no notes.
I'm starting to think those rioters had some issues.
Maybe not the best decision making skills
Police Activity posted the bodycam footage.
It’s under 7 minutes and when the shooting happens it’s blurred out. It’s relatively tame from a gore point of view, but it’s still a video of someone being shot so watch with care.
Here’s my synopsis of the footage for people that don’t want to watch it themselves, you can skip the preamble if you just want to understand the shooting. In my opinion the officer acts reasonable, friendly, and professional throughout.
Preamble
Shooting
This is shown from his bodycam and also from his dashcam.
A felon retreated into a vehicle, stating he wouldn’t go back to jail, produced a firearm, and threatened violence. Was the guy lying about shooting himself, was his plan to fire the firearm at himself or the officer? Based on my view of the video, the officer acted within his lawful authority, was polite and professional, and only used force consistent with what the situation required. But I’d encourage you to watch the evidence and make up your own mind.
There are a ton of bad cops and awful shootings. I don’t like J6 but I don’t see this as justified because the guy is an asshole, but justified because of his actions at this traffic stop.
Honestly feel really bad for the guy. He goes to end his own life and gets murdered for it. He was right at the edge of what he could handle and the traffic stop and arrest was enough to put him over the edge.
Whether this sounds crazy or not, I possess the empathy enough to understand exactly how this person felt in his last moments.
Yea I feel bad for him too, you can tell when the officer tells him he has no choice to arrest him that he’s realizing how badly he just messed up.
In his mind he was about to lose his pardon and go back into the prison system.
But to me that also makes me think the officer is justified in his use of force. People that think everything is ruined are unpredictable and he was reaching for violence. While he was saying he was going to turn that violence on himself, there’s no particular reason to trust what he’s saying. I think there’s a very real possibility he gets the gun saying “I’m shooting myself” but then once he has it maybe shooting the cop sounds a bit better.
If I’m the officer I’m not rolling the dice to see if he points the gun at his head or mine.
And as much as I can empathize with the feeling of fear and loss in that moment, ultimately he made a bunch of choices that led to that. He did whatever he did to get his license suspended, he drove on a suspended license, and even in this instance he broke the speed limit knowing that the results of even a minor infraction could lead to the loss of his freedom.
At some point he has to be responsible for the consequences of his actions.
The fact he brought up his pardon umprompted as if he thought it would be his get out of jail free card makes it hard for me to feel empathetic. Especially since there's a real possibility some cops have let him off scott-free in the past just because of his involvement in J6.
I implore you to study the paradox of tolerance.
Honestly feel really bad for the guy
You shouldn't, they were a Nazi traitor to our country
He goes to end his own life and gets murdered for it
If he was actually gonna off himself then this is also a good thing: cop gets karma points for taking out a Nazi rather than the Nazi themselves
He was right at the edge of what he could handle
....because he was a traitorous Nazi, important context
arrest was enough to put him over the edge
Maybe if you're nervous about the law you shouldn't do 50% over the speed limit while also being a known regular bad driver
possess the empathy enough to understand exactly how this person felt in his last moments
As do many of us, we just don't feel it was nearly bad enough for him compared to what he deserved
Suicide by cop is definitely a thing.
I've been on the edge before, called the police on myself and it caught me interesting that my movement he did reach for a weapon when I went to hand over the knife, so I should feel empathy. I feel empathy for the officer who was in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation, but...
I don't know. I'm out. This is a person who 1: Willingly joined in a coup to attempt to overthrow an election to 3: AFTER getting pardoned, get pulled over with a suspended license enough times for it to be a felony (I don't know about y'all, but it's kinda rare for me to get pulled over. And the times I have... I'll 100% admit I was way over, generally because I've missed the speed sign) 4: His FIRST interaction with an officer is how he was a Jan 6 pardon like it's a get out of jail free card. This shows he has zero actual fucking remorse for what he did and instead hoping the cop is on his side. 5: Go to his car and reach for a gun.
This is a man who has shown an actual pattern of not caring about anyone's safety but himself. His upset moment is when he's affected, but anyone else, damn them.
It's why I can't blame the cop in this one. This was a man in an unpredictable scenario who has shown these very things in decisions. Man could have easily said "I'm shooting myself" and instead shoot the cop. In EMS I've worked alongside too many cops, and I've talked to some who's had to shoot, most of them it bothers them. It should, honestly I'd question the ones that take a life and aren't haunted by it. This cop just dealt with a man reaching for a gun and the last thing he heard from the man is telling him he'd end his own life and the cop did it for him. So I can't help but to think that this is a Jan 6er who's managed to fuck up yet another life.
Officer says “no no no” and fires three shots at the guy.
I say the same thing when I see some asshole about to steal my kill in Call of Duty
Police officer: “And I took that personally.”
"Paid leave and I get to kill someone!"
He’d still be alive if trump hadn’t pardoned him.
Then I suppose the pardon did some good for the world. Shame it did more bad though.
Suicide is a crime. The cop successfully stopped a crime. /s
Right, because that guy couldn’t have been lying about his intent as he reached for a weapon.
Lol the cop is like say less ill do it for free
Every one of those fucking traitors should shoot themselves.
"K. Bye." - Everyone who's not traitor scum.
I think it's important to point out that this is not justifiable because he was a jan 6 rioter, but because he was reaching for a gun.
It's a small distinction, but an important one, as justifications can easily stretch to encompass things they shouldn't. If it's ok for an officer to kill someone at a traffic stop solely because they were at the riot, then it won't be long before it's justification for killing someone at a protest, or just for speaking out.
So good riddance to bad rubbish in this case, but be wary of dismissing a police officer killing someone just because we don't like them.
It's not OK for a cop to shoot him because he was at a riot. It's OK for a cop to shoot him because he's a traitor that tried to steal democracy away from the nation. He was an enemy of the state and the people.
The only good nazi is a dead nazi, and I hope his fate befalls every single one of those traitors.
He was almost certainly lying. He was going to try to shoot and run. He demonstrated repeatedly that he didn’t care about the well being of anyone except himself.
Rest in Piss, Bozo. Shouldn't have been a dipshit Nazi.
Lemme know where he's buried so I can use it as a public toilet.
More wasteful government spending. Guy said he was gonna shoot himself, why waste ~40 cents?
The police officer even sprinted after him and tried to wrestle him down so he can’t get the gun. Kinda feel bad for the police officer. Which doesn’t happen often.
No big loss there.
I don't think I will be mourning the death of any jan6 insurrectionist.
Oh well
I felt bad for his dog in the back seat of the van when he got shot.
If anyone is interested, the Weird Little Guys podcast did an episode on him.
It is astonishing to see the amount of cheering on of a cop shooting someone who just announced they were going to kill themselves.
In any other circumstance, you'd all be up in arms over this. I am ashamed to be a part of this community sometimes. There are zero circumstances where a police officer should shoot someone dead unless their life is literally at risk.
Uh the officer's life was at risk.
Are you implying the cop should have let the guy grab his gun?
Guy was a J6 rioter. By definition, stupid and crazy. Prone to making bad decisions, including a vocal declaration of suicidal intent to a police officer. What stops the guy from putting the gun to his head, then thinking "hey wait, I'm on Team Trump! Surely he'll pardon me for this too!" And then shooting the cop instead?
Should the cop have run away? Now you've got a J6 rioter with a gun in a stolen police cruiser.
Please run us through the scenario in which it's a good idea to let the mentally unstable rioter grab his gun.
And I'm not cheering the cop, either. I'm betting the cop is a fellow Republican, because...cop... but also because he foolishly trusted the J6 rioter to act reasonably and rationally. When the information presented by his computer stated this individual has a rap sheet and this situation was going to become an arrest, cop could have properly and immediately performed the arrest by standing between guy and car door then cuffing guy, thus not allowing guy the opportunity to make another stupid decision.
Cop treated this 70 in a 55 like it was a normal boring 70 in a 55 by a normal boring citizen, and this is what happened.
The "othering" of opponents is how human deal with conflict and prepare themselves for violence since time immemorial.
Dehumanization is a really slippery second step. Fascists aren't the only people that find themselves doing it.
This isn't meant as an excuse, just an explanation. IMO, this fatal shooting is not an act to be celebrated.
Yeah, I really dislike how easy it is to dehumanized people. Regardless of this guys shitty politics, or what he did in the past, he didn't deserve to be shot dead during a traffic stop.
I did not find the footage disturbing. Good riddance. to the neo-Nazi POS.
Any idea who's the younger traitor pardoned by Trump? Trying to estimate the maximum year for "pardoned rioter" news title.
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