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"If you don't like it you can leave" is such a shit argument that I keep hearing, the whole point of democracy is that if you don't like it you are allowed to complain and vote to change the situation. Implying someone doesn't have the right to complain or change an existing system is just how fascism works...
I've heard that dumb argument a lot, being touted from GOP voters at every turn. It's their speed-dial of an argument whenever someone props up any issue that they see wrong, usually because of something tied to GOP, is when they will bring that argument up.
No, I'm not fucking going anywhere just to appease you and your batshit ideals. I'm going to remain here and probably give you hell just because you're simply annoyed by the fact that there are people who live and think differently than you do and you have to co-exist with that. Or don't and you take your chances by trying to act it out so we can get all of this pent up bullshit frustration out over political differences. Whichever works.
And I want anyone in their country to stand and fight for change in their country. If you keep running away all of the time, you are letting them win and destroy what you call home and your country that you identify with.
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. It is everyone's civic duty to guide their country in a positive direction.
I am sorry, they stopped requiring civics in highschool a long time ago.
Fun Fact (or maybe a "Not-so-fun" Fact): The US government can revoke a person’s Naturalization if the government thinks you are a “terrorist” within 5 years of Naturalization:
A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization. In general, a person who is involved with such organizations cannot establish the naturalization requirements of having an attachment to the Constitution and of being well-disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.
The fact that a person becomes involved with such an organization within five years after the date of naturalization is prima facie evidence that he or she concealed or willfully misrepresented material evidence that would have prevented the person’s naturalization.
Source: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2
That is true and actually had been a thing during George W. Bush's terms in the 2000s during the height on the War on Terror. If he and his administration thought you were a terrorist (even going as far as to criticize the then-administration), you got your citizenship revoked.
Exactly. I tell folks all the time one of the most patriotic things you can do is protest for change.
Now they are deporting people legally in the US who didn't break any laws.
It's not even about deporting illegal immigrants anymore.
It never was. It's always been about oppression.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
With Fascists it's always the same playbook: start with an easily demoniseable minority and over time extend it to the rest.
I wish I could remember the book I read that deconstructed fascism. One of the key components of fascism is an ever concentric cone of who is in the in group vs the out group.
The goal is not fascism but cronyism. That's why fascist governments never last longer than a few decades.
When wealth and power are concentrated in a small group of people, they become easy targets to a growing angry population. People begin to realize they have nothing left to lose and will begin revolting.
Here in the US, we haven't quite reached that point yet but I suspect we'll get there within 20 years.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
- Frank Wilhoit
So many “yeah but... “ comments on all these posts about someone arrested without a warrant and deported with no legal pretense at all. Pathetic boot licking behavor. Pick a side or get out of our way.
This is the right wing. You can't expect to have a logical argument with them.
Fun fact, the US government can revoke a person's Naturalization if the government thinks you are a "terrorist" within 5 years of Naturalization:
A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization. In general, a person who is involved with such organizations cannot establish the naturalization requirements of having an attachment to the Constitution and of being well-disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.
The fact that a person becomes involved with such an organization within five years after the date of naturalization is prima facie evidence that he or she concealed or willfully misrepresented material evidence that would have prevented the person’s naturalization.
Source: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2
As a US Citizen that has Derivative Citizenship, this is honestly terrifying. Its one of the reasons I'm too afraid to protest. I don't want to end up stateless.
If I was a white US-born Citizen, I might be more willing to protest.
A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization.
Fuck it, update the law to include the MAGA cult. Apparently Hispanic communities are not beyond that brainwashing.
Not joining a terrorist organization or other extremist group for five years is not much of a problem really.
Most people manage to not join terrorist organizations for their whole life.
Until the government changes the definition of a terrorist organization.
EDIT: oh look a case in point
...again.
Imagine thinking not abridging free speech means that you can’t go after press/people that are knowingly lying.
Like, no, this is not what free speech means. Scientific fact are no opinions. You can only have the opinion that a scientific fact was not an scientific fact at all, but as soon as it is scientifically proofed that this is not the case, it is no opinion anymore, but just a wrong statement.
They want people to "follow the rules", but see the "rules" change every day, depending on what mood the rulers are in. It also depends on the color of your skin to them, if its not white, you're always breaking the "rules" no matter what.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
“We the people. . .” yah sure magat
People: definition in america: Anyone who has south or mid english ancestrys and holds land + has an income of high income
Well, obviously the "we" means it only applies to us, not to them.
/s for avoidance of doubt.
Freedom is always the freedom of the obedient.
Purple Belgium
I've learned in hearing conservatives talk about the ammendments, that they can only count to two. So long as they start at two.
They never agree with you when you cite the 8th
Well, there is nuance in there. But I'm sure that's not what this post is about.
Criticising Israel for brutal action against civilians - justified. Calling for the externination of Israel and its population - nazi stuff.
Unfortunately, many of the loudest "anti-zionist" peops seem to be actively for the latter approach, or willingly aid people that strive for it. To that I say: fuck off
It’s not “Nazi stuff” to call for the abolishment of Israel.
It’s a settler-colonial apartheid state actively involved in the complete extermination of the indigenous population. That’s actual Nazi stuff.
Most “Israelis” have another passport. They can go back to their own countries, or give up the state of Israel then live in the new Palestinian territory. No one’s talking about exterminating Israelis, not even while they actively exterminate Palestinians.
As we’ve seen with the way Israeli hostages were treated by Palestinians - fed, taken care of, birthdays celebrated is a stark contrast to how Palestinian prisoners are treated - starved, beaten, raped, tortured, set upon by dogs, buried alive. Decent Israelis would have nothing to fear if the whole land just transitioned to Palestinian territory.
There’s no issue with Judaism as a religion, or Jewish people. But Zionism is not Judaism, it’s just fascism, and the state of Israel is a fascist, genocidal state.
When the West Bank is being invaded and you have Trump talking about exterminating the remaining population of Gaza and building resorts on top of the land can you really keep telling yourself that Zionism and the state of Israel aren’t pure fascism?
Do you have a source on that dual citizenship claim? If you look at how they are treated even in Sweden, can you imagine forcing them to move back to the neighboring states where many of them came from?
Israeli politics are shitty and they are comitting war crimes but but lets be honest, jews are not safe anywhere else than perhaps the US. Having them move or just giving up their own country is no better than forcing the US to give back their country to the native americans. We are living in the now and most israelis are born in israel and are not responsible for what is happening there. The only good solution is to have two states, everything else will result in further conflict.
jews are not safe anywhere else
That's not even close to true and is literally a line from Zionist propaganda.
At least in the West Jews are far safer than, for example, Muslims - it is the latter who are the "lesser race" of this age in the US and much or Europe, not the former.
If you exclude those reported claims of anti-semitism that turn out to be just criticism of Israel and it's Genocide (so, of the actions of a nation state and the Zionist regime in charge of it, not of the Jewish people) there is very little anti-semitism going on at least in Europe and way, way, less than anti-Islamism, Racism against people with African ancestry in general or even prejudice against the Roma (Gypsies).
In Europe, even the Far Right is shy of making statements against Jews but they damn well love to make wild claims about Muslims being bad people.
No one’s talking about exterminating Israelis, not even while they actively exterminate Palestinians.
Well, I heard exactly that from multiple Lemmy user by now. To be fair, they normally come from certain instances, but it is definitely not no one.
You mean online losers? Me included aren't those being bombed in gaza and the west bank. Palestinan are kinder than Palestinan supporters but also justifying a genocide because of what a Lemmy user said is fucking mental
Freedom of speech for me but not for thee is exactly how dictatorships work. These people will claim America is the greatest nation on earth while completely omitting that it attained that status by defeating people like them.
for many "Free Speech " is when YOU are free to express MY point of view.
not yours.
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