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[–] [email protected] 169 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

You know, personally, I don't think the rumours of Trump being an active foreign agent instead of "just" a narcissist grifter are useful, because they can be used to argue that things weren't already pretty borked before in the status quo.... (and I think they are wrong, personally)

But I do have to admit - if I was a foreign agent wanting to destroy the US and its influence in the world, I would basically do exactly what he is doing.

[–] [email protected] 143 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My college degree focused on the collapse of the USSR and the US diplomatic response to it. I studied a lot of Soviet and Russian foreign policy. If Donald Trump is not a Russian asset he weirdly backs every single position you would expect a Russian asset to have.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

refusing to speak negatively of Putin in front of millions during the debate should've been a pretty clear wakeup call

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"He's a good man, strong man" and every red hat cheered. You dumb mother fuckers.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I love your pfp, rain frogs are PEAK fr
Also my mom's car is named figgy and we got her as a baby so we call her "little baby figs"

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He's in Putin's pocket for sure. You remember the closed door meeting with him and Putin his first time in office? Putin came out looking smug af and Trump looked like he'd just seen the ghost of his dead dad. Trump was best mates with Epstien and famously can't keep it his pants. My bet is that Putin has footage of him fucking a minor and is threatening to release it unless Trump toes the line.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly, given the cult-like obsession of Trump followers, I can't even imagine a video like that making much of an impact on them. Sadly...

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I think he's inept, stupid, and doesn't have a plan or idea about what he's doing. Tariffs, eg, are the polar opposite of what he claims.

His puppeteers, however? They're just letting him run wild, destroying everything he touches, because they have the wherewithall to withstand the damage.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

And they are all making $$$. Insiders make out like crazy when the economy crashes, buy the low and hold. Open a for-profit prison. Get shady government contracts. Get the President to do a commercial for your cars in front of the White House. And on and on.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That is true as long as there is a rebound though. Why would there be a return to normal after this?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

You think Trump cares about all these things enough to run around destroying everything? His train of thought chugs for a second, sputters and switches lines. He's obviously being fed things to be upset about and talking points, then an executive order is put in front of him to sign. He's not writing these orders.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’ve never seen a graph so metaphorically and literally apt.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Story of his life. At no point ever has DJT not been a loser. Such a failure of a human being, and the world will be much better once he exits it.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Saw a great video of his approval numbers and he is underwater compared to every other president for this soon in. His only competition, and President he still comes in 2nd worst to depending on the topic, is himself from his first term. 🤣🤣

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If conservatives could comprehend numbers, they'd be real upset.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

How mean, if they could read, they'd be pissed...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

I think they would demand data from the first term.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I realize the title is rhetorical, but just a reminder that AB not only reversed their support for the Bud Light campaign after just a few weeks of fascist bigot whining, they also fired the advertising manager responsible.

All over a single can of beer.

You probably can't buy beer regularly without giving them some of your money, but let's not forget what spineless cowards they are. (Just like Target.)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

I don't give them a nickel. Every beer I drink is brewed by someone I know. Even the commercial beers.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Drink local, fuck InBev

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

I've often heard people describe the stock market as a graph of rich people's feelings. Looking at this, if that was true? This is the most relatable the 1% have been in a century.

Edit: Yeah I know, folks. I did say if.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

Meh. Really rich people are so fucking diversified that it doesn’t matter to them what the hell the stock market does on a 4-year scale. They’ll benefit from other assets and wait out the storm, buying equities when others are selling. Shit, even upper middle-class people can often do this without sweating too much.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I watched this video essay by Benn Jordan on American Capitalism that suggests the ultra wealthy are trading their net worth for control. Companies don't want to make more money, they want to have more control over your life. They'll buy out every competing company and give out their products or services at a loss even if it means losing a billion dollars a year with no plan to turn a profit anytime soon. They do it with the goal of becoming the only company that provides something people rely on.

Musk's net worth has dropped $100 billion but he now controls what government programs get funding and who gets government jobs. He traded his net worth for control.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Rich people is moving assets to elsewhere now, normal Americans has nowhere do go.

The two things will hurt rich people are tax and death.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

This is actually what real 1%ers want. They can easily absorb the blow, and now they can actually buy more for less. When the market recovers, they will have increased their wealth exponentially. They paid for this to happen.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

They should've added Trump 2016 too, dunno what would it look like but omitting stuff isn't great

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So even with less dementia in 2016 Trump still couldn't beat a Democrat.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

However the economic devastation is gonna last decades...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I thought you had drawn it in with a sharpie. Lol

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember how a webstream of a lettuce was set up for Liz and she got kicked out faster than the lettuce on the webstream became rotten.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We need to start a trump lettuce stream!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Needs to be an orange, surely.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Obama 2013 doesn’t really make any sense. He was already president, so nothing changed. 2009 is probably much worse cause of Bush’s recession.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's important to note that Trump is responsible for what's happening. While Obama was given the financial crisis on his lap because of things out of his immediate control.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

100%. Neither is a good comparison, really. Trump 2017 vs Trump 2025 might be the best comparison. But that also implies he was responsible for 2017, which he wasn’t.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, other presidents have ups and downs and usually it's nearly a coincidence, good luck or bad on their part.

Trump absolutely is responsible for current economic conditions, with no ambiguity.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Obama 2009 looks about the same, maybe a bit stronger over 100 days. The market collapse happened in the final months of the Bush presidency, and it was just about at the bottom as Obama came into office.

To have a number as bad as Trump II, you have to go back to Bush's first term (in general the Bush graph is pretty bad, barely managing to make it back up to break-even for a few months before the 2008 collapse).

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I hope this doesn’t sound too insane given that currently this is “good news” or at least good metrics for us: But I often worry about using the stock market as a metric for anyone notable.

For instance, I picture a future where a politican pushes hard for increases to minimum wage…and the stock market tanks because “free labor is ruined”. There are some bubbles where it really should tank and I just worry that we’d be excusing it then, and not now.

Granted: It is my belief that there’s no bubbles now and that Biden handed us a working system - one that Trump is throwing wrenches into. I just think after the GME fiasco, we shouldn’t necessarily trust the stock market as a perfect system run by level-headed people.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

now I want to also see this graph from trump's first term

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The first hundred days would have been good as the market hates uncertainty. The reason why it is falling now is because Trump isn't being consistent in his policy and is upending the world order. In 2016 there would have been some hope the economy would improve

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Would be interested in seeing the full 4 year terms as well

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you not have the ability to take a vote of no confidence in the US? Or are you.just stuck with it for 4 years and he can do whatever?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They have an impeachment process which they tried a few years back twice but didn't work. It is like black magic, a whole lot of mumbo jumbo for literally nothing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Impeachment doesn't seem like it actually does anything. It's like an official slap on the wrist.
Maybe the laws were written back when politicians had a sense of shame and they just assumed that an impeached president would resign.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Exactly.

The US system has bunch of things that don’t have explicitly defined penalties, because just the act itself was so shameful that it itself was the punishment.

But now they have a president with zero shame and zero morals - the processes don’t work.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Data is ugly - you skipped the first term of Obama and trump and the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy.

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