That post turned into garbage in the last visible paragraph. In such a case he should sue the recruiting company, not post about "have i given it my best". LinkedIn trash
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Bro's been brainwashed by hustle & grind culture. He's not ready to accept he's a victim.
Trying to convince the working class they’re victims is worthless because they all believe they will win a lottery ticket to make it all feel better.
In such a case he should sue the recruiting company
IANAL, but it certainly seems like he may have a case for promissory estoppel.
I also ANAL, but I did take a contract law class in college and this is a textbook case. If it actually happened. And depending on how the “offer” was worded.
Reads more like LinkedinLunatics
I'm sorry, but if a prospective employer is asking me to do seven rounds of interviews, I'm going to take that as a giant red flag that they a.) don't respect me or my time and b.) are woefully incompetent at every other aspect of their business.
I did three interviews once with a company. Even shadowed someone. Never doing that again. It's a complete waste of time.
It needs to be illegal for employers to waste too much of our time.
This goes for interviews, commutes, and other situations where an employee is expected to give up their free time for free.
Thie idea that we owe parts of our lives and self that were never agreed upon when signing the contract needs to go away. The puritan work ethic needs to go away.
And we will need unions to accomplish this.
If they had to pay people for interviews they'd probably be a lot snappier about the process.
Like, sure, I'll do nine hours of interviews if you're paying me $100/hr.
I jumped through hoops like that once. Six or seven interviews with everyone from HR to one of the company founders, had to submit a freaking essay, only to be low-balled by the salary at the end; I ended up declining the offer. Biggest waste of time.
People have been falling for the lies of big tech companies for too long. We desperately need unions, and those unions need to push back on these kinds of ineffectual, time-wasting hiring processes.
Look at this asshole though. The image cuts off right when he's starting into the mealy-mouthed hustle culture part of the linkedin post. Gotta show that you, special magical you, are the one developer who doesn't mind the exploitation. You stay positive and give 110% to everything, even when they're fucking you over.
There's always a stupid as shit hustle bro willing to scab and do the work, they can vibe code through it I guess. If this god forsaken industry had any solidarity at all, then no tech company you've ever heard of would be able to hire a single person any more.
Surely there are protections from this. If you have a signed employment contract and have given notice to your existing employer.
Oh, no wait. Working at Capitol One and an offer from PayPal so I guess they are in the US.
Lol here in the US there are no such protections. You have to fend for yourself.
I don't think there are explicit employer/employee federal regulations for that. There could be at the state level. However there are absolutely damages that occurred and a remedy can be pursued. It's called promissory estoppel. A signed offer letter is a legally binding document. They don't just get to wiggle out of that legally.
I don't want to kick the original author while they're down, but PayPal is a known shit company, and has been almost from the start. It's closely related to the leopards-ate-my-face phenomenon — if you're willing to work for a shit company, expect shit.
Not everybody has all the information to know whether a company is known for this kind of shit. I've heard a lot of stories about PayPal screwing over sellers in particular by freezing their funds for no justified reason, but I can see people falling for the "they must have been doing something bad they aren't admitting" you always see in response to anyone complaining about some authority imposing arbitrary punishments on them.
My personal gripe with PayPal is, I was once relying on income from sales through them, and had withdrawn money to my bank that I needed to pay my rent. A customer filed a spurious dispute (later resolved in my favor) on a sale that was only a tiny portion of that, and their response was to immediately reverse the whole completed bank transfer. So I almost missed paying rent and had to scramble to figure it out at the last minute.
Anyway, fuck PayPal, sympathy to all their victims.
Why do
LinkedIn users write their essays
In this format? Many other platforms
Have the same limitations for character count
Or even lack of rich text formatting
Yet people don't write like this.
Where did this
Culture come from?
Most business people are too stupid to handle paragraphs with more than 2-3 sentences. I'm not joking; I literally have to write emails like this if I want them read.
Side rant here. I'm working on a project for a new application, after a couple months work I finalised the 150ish requirements, however before approval could be given to approach businesses I had to do some internal box ticking.
I organised this technical meeting with the IT guys to run through all the requirements, tick and flick that everything was fine. It was a 3 hour meeting that I had booked 7 weeks in advance to ensure everyone could attend.
3 weeks before the scheduled date a general manager insists on attending and self-invites. The moment the meeting starts the GM immediately says "they don't want to read all these requirements" and "don't you have a presentation?" Followed by "where are the pictures?".
The entire meeting basically derailed there and we only made it through maybe 50% of what we needed to with zero ticking or flicking. That was 3 weeks ago, the project has almost stalled now and I'm still trying to recover the time/progress/momentum I had.
Fucking managers and their demands to be included and flat out refusal to read.
I'm pretty sure...
You're not gonna believe this but...
I think it all came from web marketing guru funnel-builder-ebook-masterclass-mentor-course types.
And it circlejerked with business types to capitalize on shorter and shorter attention spans.
I was like you. I was a normal guy. And one day I decided to take a guess at where this irritating "writing style" came from...and why it was EVERYWHERE...
...and you won't believe what I came up with (Or maybe you will, because you're ultra smart , I can tell just by the way you're reading this, you're not like everyone else, you're special, click the button at the end of this really long pointless babbling)...I think it's because...
People scroll, and short little paragraphs keep you reading.
In bite-sized little chunks. So you keep scrolling and scrolling waiting for it to get to the point....
...so what are you waiting for? Lame call to action by clicking the button below to get added to my email spam list and an empty ghost town "Master Life Changer" Discord / web forum! Filled to the gills with...
...obvious filler nonsense...for 900 days absolutely risk free...
...I wouldn't bet my couch and my sister's angry little chihuahua, Señor Gordito Cabrón if I wasn't 100% serious about the value in these stupid paragraphs...
If you don't get any value from this offer, I'll personally ship that little jerk to Cesar Milan. Just so he learns some respect after stealing my tacos
You can even keep the couch and any change you find in its depths as mygift to you.
~~I'll even finally get the sister to therapy, as an Internet marketing family we've neglected all the signs and cries for help for far too long.~~
All you gotta do is keep scrolling until the wheel on your mouse pops out...
...and one day you too can have a Lambo. You deserve it.
Normally, my grift is valued by myself (and nobody else) at an obnoxiously high number that ends in a 7 for some reason...but today is special.
Still here? I knew you were The Chosen One Destined for Greatness .
Time is running out, even though this special offer has been sitting on this static page for months. It's only like ~~$1234.57~~ $667.97 now. Just for you. (I'm practically giving it away because you're so cool. I have to sell one of my boats now just to make ends meet. My wife is so upset she's taking the kids to her mom's for a few days, but I believe in you THAT MUCH.)
Still not convinced?? That's understandable. This can continue saying the same gibberish 18 different ways...
...until you've read so far clicking the button is basically sunk cost fallacy at this point...
...Ugh that made me physically sick writing like that even as a joke LOL.
EDIT: In some twisted way I'm so proud of this marketer mockery I keep editing it when I think of a way to make it even stupider lol. I'm gonna touch grass soon I swear...
EDIT EDIT: Oh no, it has formatting now. And got increasingly unhinged. What have I done?!
This is why you don't plan your life around a job. Plan your job around your life.
That sounds like a very privileged mindset to me. Most of us don't have the resources to have that luxury.
From my layman's perspective it sounds like this should net him some compensation under promissory estoppel
That was the very first thing I thought of. For the unaware, promissory estoppel is when party A is damaged by party B promising something, then later rescinding it. It is something you can file a lawsuit over.
For instance, maybe someone says “I’ll buy you a brand new Maserati if you drive your current car off a bridge.” You know they can afford the car, and a reasonable person would believe this promise. So you shake on it, and proceed to dump your car over the side of the bridge. Then that person laughs and goes “yeah, I changed my mind. I’m not buying you a Maserati.” Now you have been damaged because of an action you took due to their promise. You can sue them, to force them to fulfill their side of the promise, or at least to make you whole again.
In the screenshot’s case, it sounds like he made some major financial investments in this job. He moved to a new location, turned down other job offers, etc… He could sue PayPal to force them to repay the costs that he incurred as a result of their rescinded job offer.
The only reason employers still do shit like this is because individuals either don’t realize that they can sue for it, or don’t realize that lawyers will take their case.
7 months ago I started a 6 month remote contract for chime.com.
At around 5 months, I asked my manager if she was going to extend me. She said no. Cool, whatever. Life of a contractor.
The product and engineer team rallied against ending my contract and my manager caved and extended my contract for another 6 months.
So a week into my new contract, they asked me to come into the office in San Francisco.
This is a difficult ask from me because I had to find a person to watch my son and my dogs. Drove my son an hour away to my sisters and paid a dog sitter 80/day to watch my dogs.
I land in San Francisco and my boss text me saying she has something important to tell me. I get into the office and a few hours later she cancels my contract because they want to have the person in my role local and to come into the SF office 4 days a week. This new position is also only paying 135k vs my 165k.
The irony of yet another fintech that enables you to do everything from your phone and yet wants the staff in the office. Screw them. You'll find something better (if you haven't already).
The company doesn't care about you. The company doesn't care about you. The company doesn't care about you.
Would you not be able to sue the employer on the grounds of promissory estoppel? You bought a new house, you quit your old job, and incurred financial harm as a result of the job offer, and so by rescinding that offer (assuming the offer was unconditional), they have harmed you, and you have grounds to sue them.
Maybe in Europe, but in the US At-will employment means that you can be fired at any moment without cause, without warning and without severance.
As an environmental regulator in America I know first hand how company owners tend to respect nothing but their own wealth and standing. I write and enforce administrative orders and penalties to company presidents and CEOs. They'll throw the world under the bus before taking reaponsibility.
But during covid a lot of contracts and orders were digitally signed and not given wet signatures.
So a lot of American company owners are trying to pull back on everything covid. One of the angles is attempting to void all contracts not physically signed with a wet signature. Completely ignoring digital signing is a (new?) tactic being used.
the last paragraph took this post from "that sucks" to solidly "yea this didn't happen" territory It's just more pro corporate slop meant to keep people on the platform instead of going out and looking for local jobs or going to actual websites to find open positions
I feel for this guy.
But I’ve also learned a valuable lesson in my travels: never, ever quit an existing job until after you’ve started your new job.
Not just accepted the offer, but attended your orientation day and got your new badge in hand. Then give your resignation.
Yes, I’d love to give my coworkers more of my time for offboarding and project hand-off, but in this world you have to look after yourself first. It sucks, but it’s how it is.
Never give a two-week notice. When you do that, your current employer may give you a new offer, but if you accept it, your tenure will not be the same, since you’re now seen as a flight risk, and they’ll look for a way to dispense with you and replace you within a year, or two, max.
If you're in Germany, don't do this.
(Because legally binding contracts are legally binding, you would violate both and probably get fucked over income taxes, dunno. On the other hand, companies are bound to contracts as well and you're protected from bullshit like that)
Am I supposed to feel sad for a binance bro interviewing for mf paypal? I have more empathy for a rhino poacher.
> applies to join an evil company
> is surprised when gets evil done on them
That's why we need a democratic economy. Distribute the power over the means of production.
Shocking to hear as I am Used to have binding consequences for such action in my country - feel u !