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[–] [email protected] 152 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm impressed by pretty much everything I see from Offerman, and his role in TLOU was fantastic. It had real impact, and didn't feel at all like the lazy tokenistic drivel that's become Disney's standard fare.

[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'll tell you why:

Because it, kind of like Brokeback Mountain all those years earlier, appreciates that homosexuality and the gay community are not one in the same. While the gay community is extremely important and should never be downplayed, media always tends depict gay people as connected to it or at the very least evoking many of the same aspects and tropes.

This isn't an unfair thing to depict, far from it, but it has the unfortunate result of making many gay characters feels rather same-y, occasionally even one note.

Offerman's character depicts a very accurate thing that doesn't get as much attention in media: the straight acting man discovering his sexuality late in life. With the exception of his piano playing and his penchant for wine and setting the table for elaborate dinners, his character has none of the telltale "gay" aspects you typically find in media, nor does he develop them. In fact his character aspects (survivalist, paranoid, shut in, loner, even a hint conservative) are generally not associated with gay characters, out of fear of depicting them in a poor light.

That's not at all to suggest other depictions of gay men are wrong or bad, Bartlett's character is very well done too. The characters of Bill just feels more notable and fresher in our current media landscape because we see it far less often.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 year ago (10 children)

piano playing

Fellas, is it gay to play an instrument?

I know that's not what you're saying I just thought it was a funny way to phrase it

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're playing the skin flute, it might be gay... hahaha

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I really appreciate this take. A lot of us are trapped in the closet for a variety of reasons and it takes years to finally be yourself comfortably. Once we are out, we can exist as just people…if our community lets us that is.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Offerman is becoming more and more a chad in my eyes and that love story was really really good and its coming from someone who really hates comedy and romance genre but gotta say it was really good.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Read his books, but only if you're a lefty. I showed my boomer parents and they hated it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've listened to Paddle Your Own Canoe on audiobook (he narrates). Dunno about the rest, but I'd agree based on that one. He makes it clear pretty quickly that Ron Swanson was just a character and his views are different and more nuanced.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only similarities between Nick Offerman and Ron Swanson are his giggle and his faithfulness to his friends.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wood working and a very erotically charged relationship with Megan Mulally too

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know he's liberal in real life, but the way he plays Ron in parks and rec is how I wish conservatives actually were in real life.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't know how anyone could watch that episode and see anything other than an absolutely heart wrenching tale of love and how beautiful and sad and even stupid it can be. You don't even have to be gay to identify with it, you just have to be human.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It was a love story and it was touching. I had to look away during the intimate scenes as watching two guys making out gives me the heebie jeebies.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm sorry you're getting downvoted. You're allowed to like things and dislike things, as long as tolerance and respect are given for others' choices. It seems like you're doing that here.

Acceptance for something you like and enjoy is pretty easy and natural. It's a bit harder, and takes more thought and courage, to show respect and tolerance for things you don't like and don't enjoy, but you accept them anyway because it's the right thing to do and it's a part of being a human on this planet with billions of other humans. Grow up, lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Very well said, I agree.

OP was being honest without being derogatory. It sounds like perhaps they may have experienced some personal growth from watching the episode.

If OP hasn't been around gay people who openly express physical affection, they may have felt initially uncomfortable. But that's why representation is important.

That's why movies, TV, books, and visual arts are so important to us as a culture and as individuals; exposure to new ideas helps us grow and become better people.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Well said.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a good exercise for personal growth, you should ask yourself why seeing that gives you the heebie-jeebies.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Eh, I think it's pretty clear that some amount of homophobia is innate as much as homosexuality is. Some people just plain find it gross. As long as they respect everyone's right to have their own lifestyle, that's really what tolerance and getting along is all about. We can't except everyone to like everything, so we should be proud when they put up with harmless things they don't like.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I wouldn't say innate, that makes it sound like humans are born homophobes.

Unavoidable when you're raised in a homophobic society and something to improve.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, watching anyone making out gives me heebie jeebies but I still stare at them to assert dominance

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You are what's wrong with "progressive" or "left" or lgbt friendly circles. Fuck your judgement, you pathetic asshole. Public displays of affection give MANY people the heebie jeebies, regardless of gender, you judgemental prick.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly, thanks for still watching it anyway. Don't know why you are getting downvoted. If it was a touching love story about morbidly obese people, I would get the same heebie jeebies.

You are part of the change that needs to happen in the world, we can't help what makes us feel queasy, but you both respecting their performance, the story AND your own sensibilities IS how we achieve progress.

Proud of you, no sarcasm.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the best single episode love story ever.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago

The most Offerman thing to say. 👍

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I loved the episode but it is very much a gay story

[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Do you also refer to romantic stories between man and a woman (traditionally referred to as "love stories") as "heterosexual stories"?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's okay to clarify and specify when something is gay.

Its clearly its own sub genre, Netflix has specific categories for it and Asian culture has an acronym (BL for boy love). Many people prefer it over the rest, even without being gay themselves.

Acknowledging a difference isn't necessarily an insult.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

[Insert County ]love story

A teen love story

A divorcee love story

Yes. We do this for all types of shit all the time. Just because you put gay in front of it doesn't make you homophobic.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So a post-apocalyptic love story? Cuz that seemed to be the main theme. Unless you were just too caught up over the characters being gay to notice.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

If I were asked to qualify one, sure. It's a love story about a gay couple. It's a gay love story. If they were Indonesian it would be an Indonesian love story.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The story isn't about them being gay. Its about them being in love and dealing with the post apocalyptic bullshit along with their relationship. To call it a "gay story" is to single out the one tiny part of it that is them being gay and reduce the whole thing to that. I doubt you'd just classify Schindlers list as a "Jew story" or Black panther as a "Black story". I do like how you slipped from it being a "gay story" to a "gay love story" tho, nice save. The quote was about people calling it a gay story, not a gay love story. I think even subconsciously you understand that "gay story" is not really a good way to summarize that story.

In no world is somebody asking for more detail on a story going to want to hear "its a gay story" and be satisfied. If they want details you'd tell them more, and if they didn't a more accurate summary would be "love story" or even "post apocalyptic gay love story" but just "gay story" is like calling lord of the rings a "travel diary"

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I think they're innocent in their meaning, but don't understand the nuance of what you're trying to tell them.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I disagree.

The characters involved happen to be gay, but there's nothing in the scenarios that are exclusive to gay couples. The same messages can be taken from it even if they were a hetero couple.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

there's nothing in the scenarios that are exclusive to gay couples.

There definitely are. Before the collapse of society, these two characters would not have been allowed to marry in the place where they live. It was only after societal collapse that they were free to be their true selves without discrimination or government oversight to tell them that their love was wrong.

It would not be the same story if it was a hetero couple, and it is dismissive to the unique challenges faced by gay people to suggest it would be.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I agree with the sentiment of the article, but the author can jump off a bridge for perpetuating the "SLAMS" bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

The episode was directed by the same guy who directed all of "It's a Sin", another incredible bit of telly.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the Last of Us demonstrates the difference between writing a story around the character vs the sort of crap in other shows where inclusivity is more like a box ticking exercise and a casting quota.

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