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Should ask somewhere else, you won't find these people in a federated open-source communist link aggregator website.

It's called displacement aggression The sportsball fan identifies with his team to the point that it feels like he lost the game himself. Since he can't express his frustration and subsequent aggression towards the opposing team (since he is in front of his TV several 100km away), he expresses it towards the next best thing that is weaker and accessible, e.g. furniture, walls, wife and kids...

I think you're missing two large parts; escapism and booze.

From the sportsball moniker, I imagine you aren't a fan. Sometime, it's worth it to go to a bar that supporters of whatever team go to. There's something magic about hooting, hollering and cheering with a crowd of complete strangers about this one thing. And in that brief couple of hours, it becomes larger and more magic. And some folks chasing that feeling get drunk and go too far when it goes wrong.

I would go ahead recommend and not be a pompous ass who says sportsball, you are not better than others or unique because you don't like sports.

And then to answer your question I don't think it has much to do with the sport itself.

1. i think it's the trigger not the cause.
2. Big crowd+alcohol and other substances
3. the crowd anonymity effect or whatever if it even has a name, if only one person in a crowd starts kicking over a trashcan and gets some cheers, it can and will quickly spread through the crowd who will start doing it and/or escalate what they do as they feel kinda safe, because they are not doing it alone. The same way when you do something you are kinda afraid to do doing it with a friend (if you had any) gives you more courage.

Or to quote Man in Black "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals, and you know it."

Think about January 6, you think if you ask then individually if it's a good idea to go to the capitol alone and overthrow try to overthrow a government and theyd probably call you stupid for the idea, but put them in a crowd where they mutually encourage each other and give each other a sense of security and they will go ahead and do it the dumb bastards.

Because many of these people are just fucking dumb and don’t have much going in their lives. Seriously talk to an ultra fan and all they do is talk and think about their club. They have wrapped their entire lives and persona around the club. When their club loses they feel like that’s an direct attack on their own person, because the club is all they are. So because they feel attacked they have this urge to defend and lash out. Combine that with booze and cocaine and multiply that with hundreds of bozos and you have yourself a riot.

I live next to a sports bar. And many of the patrons definitely have lost a couple of screws.

Last week in my city people rioted because they couldn’t watch their precious football game. Because the cops were on strike and the mayor banned the match because of that. It’s like these people can’t find joy in anything else. Just football, booze and cocaine. Basically Bread and Circuses.

"Sportsball normie Lemmy user" reporting in and I have the answer! The answer being: I DON'T KNOW . Not all of us are the same. My usual response to my team having a disappointing season is just trying to enjoy the rest of the season from an entertaining perspective while dying inside over my team's showing.

When my team has won the Superbowl (will not disclose the amount of times), I have ridden that sublime high for well, all of my life since that fateful year(s) in a sun kissed peace almost like a runners high. I never felt the need to fuck shit up is what I'm saying

Sportsball is kinda a shit term - you don't have to like sports and yes society venerates it over far more important achievements/pursuits, but it's a bit childish to refer to it in that way.

My theory is that a lot of that kind of poor behaviour is generally from men who have grown up with the toxic masculinity traits of believing that sad is bad, angry is manly. I've seen people openly weep over the outcomes of a game - I think these people are feeling the same emotions but haven't been given the societal permission to express it in its true form. So they do angry instead. It's not acceptable at all but that's what I think the reason is.

They use sports as an outlet for all their emotions. Happiness, sadness, anger, grief.

I would say, witnessing the other side of this is beautiful. I was in Buenos Aires when Argentina won the world cup. I think it was over 3 million people that gathered on the main road by the obelisk monument. Everyone was crying of happiness, dancing, celebrating. There were no political, class, or race divides. Boca & River fans celebrated together. Everyone was just Argentinian that day.

You should see what happens when political tribalism takes place in the United States. 

Strong emotions and financial strain with the working class at an all-time high, disdain towards other groups, and fights break out.

Assassination attempts and murder of activists and politicians due to disagreements.

I think it goes back to dividing the working class and keeping us entertained so we don't pay attention to the status quo.

Miserable people who put all of their happiness in a weird location such as how your city's sports team performs. That is how these clowns achieve emotional validation.

The sportsball team you cheer for is your tribe.
Your tribe meets up to go to war against other tribes regularly, you wear the same colors to recognize each other.
The goal is to beat the other tribe, show them who's boss and acquire the shiny thing at the end.
The great thing is, you don't even have to do anything to be part of the tribe, except wear the right colors and cheer (or boo) at the right time.

It's a pretty civilized way to channel our stone-age tribal urges into something that happens on a weekend, doesn't interfere with your work, and can even be turned into profit. And sometimes a few things break, but that's much better than the constant bloody feuds that were normal during most of human history.

As on reddit, no one who does this is ever going to take accountability for it.(And no one who does this is going to be on Lemmy to begin with)

Some people never get helped past the wall-crayon stage, but still need to express poetry no one wants.

It’s just an excuse to vent, it them having to fight an actual person an probably get thier ass kicked. It’s just people being basic.

Destroying things and acting like a bully feels powerful and strong. They can't do anything else, it's a lack of problem-solving capabilities .

What’s sportsball?

The easiest, but not necessarily the most applicable answer, is that it is possible to wager money on the outcome of sports games. Very large sums of money. Ruinous, life-altering sums.

The more common answer is that this is a sense of personality for some people. They identify with a certain sports team and spend a lot of their time cheering them on and building up the belief that they are the best team, undefeatable under any fair circumstance. When that team loses, they then take it personally. After all, if their team lost, could it mean they're not actually the best team? Did I choose wrong?

No. Impossible. It's those damn referees, blind as they are, missing the most obvious fouls and treating my team unfairly, punishing my team's players more harshly for the tiniest infractions. Nay, not even that; my team didn't break the rules; it's that other team's fault!

&c., &c., until you get bored.

It isn't reasoning driving these decisions. It's emotion. And before any of us get too haughty about it, it's also a very human reaction. Humans were not designed to reason, we were designed to feel. And yes, everyone has a set of circumstances that will cause their logical processing to shut off and allow emotion to take control. It just might not be sports.

Alpha male behavior up there with beating your girlfriend

I'm just a little sad that there are people in the world who have lived such empty, passionless lives that they can't conceive of being so excited and invested in something that they could lose their self control for a moment

there's this little human thing called emotions that you might have missed, and some people are real bad at controlling them. the reasons behind that can be varied, but often they have a stake in the game (as in they've bet on it or similar).

I mean people cry over movies and tv shows. The line between fact and fiction, real and not real, important and inconsequential is pretty blurry in our minds.