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Applying for jobs and interviews should be paid time. Don't change my mind

Don’t forget to tip the interviewer, too.

Considering the question posed was, "Am I insensitive to the world if...," I will politely say the answer is "Yes," and impolitely say, "you huge dipshit."

Avoid the vitriol

You first, motherfucker.

I’ve been to interviews that were literally scams. Nah man you have to provide the good faith effort on your end too.

"Am I out of touch with the world"
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"Please stop telling me i am wrong and give me answers that support my initial idea"

Thought exercise lmao

This is LinkedIn isn’t it? This exactly the trash you’d expect from tech bros choosing this as their social media platform of choice. Reminder: Microsoft owns LinkedIn & you can delete your account today (since 90% of your messages & recruitement is spam/trash).

Although this is obviously a dumb solution, I do get what he's saying. Part of why the job market is so bad right now, is that there is a lot of people (often with the help of automation) sending out applications in bulk to companies they fail to meet even bare minimum requirements for. For example, its anecdotal, but a local company has given up on public postings because last time they tried, they received thousands of applications in a single day (most of which with no qualifications) and the ones they tried to reach out to weren't even in the country. There are a lot of ways to help filter this, but it just highlights what a mess things are right now.

Sure, and taking an in person interview or home assignment should be paid as well then to signal us that company is serious and it’s not a fake opening

OK. But I also want 20 dollars for every time a recruiter sends me job spam.

This is a weird post.

The first paragraph is bonkers.

The second paragraph is essentially just trying to cover his ass.

Though, from a philosophical standpoint, there isn't anything wrong with asking this. On the other hand, if it really was his position to frame this as a thought experiment, the question would have been posed differently the first time around.

This is really annoying because the purpose of philosophising on things is to be allowed to ask questions like this.

A polarising figure, Sam Harris once said in an interview "What's wrong with eating babies? If we have too many babies lying around, and we want to eat them, why can't we?"*

Some people (including Alex Jones) took that and ran with it: "Sam Harris defends cannabalising babies", even though the entire point of his statement was to demonstrate how laymen should stay the fuck away from philosophy because they cannot understand the question is designed to establish a moral foundation.

• note, the clip is satirical beyond the quote I linked, the channel is literally called "out of context"

The full interview is here for full disclosure. Though I'll warn you. You'll lose brain cells watching Cenk try to deliberately misinterpret Sam to make him look like a villain.

Time is money. Even if I don't get the job, I feel I should still get paid a minimum of an hourly wage for the waste of my time.

What if instead companies paid someone to review applications? It takes >10s to skim a resume. Even if you spend a full minute per resume and get 500 reesumes for a job, that’s less than 1 work day

And while we’re here: companies should be required to compensate people for work done for the company, which includes attending interviews and doing labor (e.g. code tests)

I need money. Too bad I don't have any money.

Remember to charge him for interviews when his business model falls through.

What we need is a unified set of standards for job listings and for resumes. Make it easy to see which workers and which jobs are a bad fit. Just formatting and key words would be huge.

I stopped using Upwork for the same reason. They wanted me to pay to be able to bid for a job.

Landlords of shitty places in areas here, where there's very little available to rent, got sick of showing places that are so bad people just noped out of them or ghosted the landlord on a very understandable fashion.

Their solution is to charge $200 for a viewing because people were apparently not serious about wanting a place.

Seems similar.

Exchange ideas by listening to mine, avoid criticism by labeling it vitriol.

I would gladly pay for him to briefly notice and reject me.

I'll tell you what let's meet in the middle. Make the job application work with my auto fill and I'll put down a $1 deposit .

For those complaining that it's a terrible idea, and it may well be, have your ever been on the receiving end of shotgunned resumes?

What's a good solution to this?

I get that it's annoying to have a lot of (obviously) under qualified applications, and someone has to go through them. I just don't think it's possible to solve this problem without being unfair to at least some applicants.

I might pay a small fee for a guaranteed interview. If I can get in front of someone, I usually score. OTOH, I'd never trust a company doing this, so...

Poor dear is sad he has to do his job.

This isn't to guarantee an interview as some are saying. What he's saying is an application fee, so you don't have 90% of your applicants wildly unqualified for the job that need to be screened out every time. It's kind of the same idea of charging half a cent for every email sent to drive down junk mail, which, functionally, is what a lot of applications are unfortunately.

At some point, the screening process AND the application process are going to be so automated that it will be like the sorting hat from Harry Potter. Automate the position description, automate the screening, automate the application process (you are here), automate the interviewer, automate the interviewee...

One day you'll just wake up and without you or the company knowing, a hat will drop on your head and tell you where you work now.

Also, anyone looking for work that hasn't begun automating as much of their application process as possible should get started immediately. Applying is a volume game, especially right now.

At a minimum, you should anticipate submitting about 80 applications to get a few interviews and possibly a job. SHRM data backs this up. It's obviously less for niche or less desirable positions and more for others, but 80 is a good frame of reference. If you're looking for WFH positions in fields where WFH wasn't the norm before covid, double the number.

You know I hate to say it but this isn't the single worst idea I've ever heard, it would still fucking suck though.