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[–] [email protected] 205 points 3 months ago (6 children)

It's wild that the U.K. doesn't teach the Odyssey, I thought their whole thing was stealing other peoples' culture and pretending they owned it now.

[–] [email protected] 115 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Shakespeare invented literature, so clearly there’s no value in teaching anything from before him…

[–] [email protected] 98 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You haven't experienced Shakespeare unless you read it in the original klingon.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Well Greece wasn't ever a British colony, so they didn't have as many opportunities to steal artifacts and culture as they did with, say, Egypt or India

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

I’m sure they had ample opportunity to steal Greek artefacts from when Greeks invaded Egypt and India.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've heard of Assassin's Creed Odyssey, does that count?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

That translation has fallen out of favor with contemporary scholars but you get the gist.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Just looked it up, the Odyssey can be taught in the UK but it is rarely chosen because Shakespeare is easier to teach and students who pick Shakespeare get better grades on average.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We don't like to brag about it but we fought the Brits in the War of 1812, one of the things we took from England was Greek literature. In turn, we Americans lost the definition of jams vs jelly and the superior spelling of "colour".

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

…………..I did the odyssey at various points man I think the guy in the tweet is just Polyphemus or smthn like ‘I don’t know who this nobody guy is, ain’t never heard of no odyssey before bro’

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 3 months ago (4 children)

When the only Homer they know is Homer Simpson.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

Fun fact: the voice actor for Homer Simpson also voiced Homer (the Greek one) in the Disney Hercules animated series.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The world doesn't revolve around America, but you'll see idiots in Bumbfuck, Romania talking about Soros and wokeism. It's got to be exhausting.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Soros is a Hungarian Jew who survived the Holocaust and moved to America afterwards btw, so when someone from the Balkans is complaining about him it's not ignorance, it means something very specific.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Even more of a Nazi dog whistle than when the American right does it? I guess that would make it a Nazi Air Horn

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 3 months ago (2 children)

As an American, I am going to dine on this single example as if it disproves the idea that we are insular and provincial hicks for the next decade.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago (4 children)

nah, it just proves that brits are as stupid as you are, which is, tbh, is not a surprise /s

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 months ago (4 children)

The problem is, I have this big bag of stones in my glass house, and I want to throw them at the UK for being dumb, but if I do, I also have to admit the US education system is trash.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'll throw that stone for you

The British education system is almost as bad as the American education system. The biggest difference between our cultures is that a lot of Americans are willing to point out how incredibly racist our country is

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's not just slavery minimization. A lot of far right Americans have taken over local school boards to ban books that talk about gay people existing or the fact that sex is something that happens, among other nefarious purposes. And a religious organization in Texas writes pretty much all the textbooks used across the country. It can't be this bad in the UK can it?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

I mean, I have no qualms with recognizing the US education system is garbage... It gives me more fire to try to improve it.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Illiad and the Odyssey are classics and hardly American culture. They are western culture as a whole. No idea what the drama is about but some dude not knowing what the Odyssey is, is the same as not knowing any other classic. (There are too many to count, but not knowing the most popular ones are is like not knowing the titanic sank.) (Spoilers)

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago

That's the joke.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, the only people left on Xitter are idiots

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

$10 says the dipshit in question did a frantic google, saw 'ulysses' and went james joyce.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You haven't experienced The Odyssey until you've read it in its original Klingon.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (14 children)

I have to admit that I have not read the Illias or the Odyssey in school, either. We were made read books in school intendet to make children shy away from books, so they won't touch any of them after school ever again.

Luckily I had read loads of good books by that time, so I knew that only a few are as horrible as the ones they made us read in school.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There are basic versions of these stories with big drawings, mostly made for kids. Basically manga. When i was a kid(in Greece), 35 years ago, i had this

https://www.stratikis.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/iliada-nea.jpg

This is Iliad and it was cooler than Odyssey. Badass dudes with almost divine powers fighting other dudes and entire armies on their own, while Gods are taking sides and fucking things up. Isnt that shonen.

Odyssey's ending was cool though, even if it was a bit sad.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

The Illiad was like the Bible before the Bible.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

is this why the miniseries is trending on some torrent sites?? haha!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_(1997_miniseries)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (4 children)

It was also just announced that Christopher Nolan’s next film will be the Odyssey

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

I am tired of western Cinema jerking off to same old stories, which tbh aren’t the pinnacle of literature or storytelling. There are so many cultural epics which are deserving of the big screen, but unfortunately this western culture bias keeps the general audience from being exposed to any of it.

It wouldn’t matter, but the issue is then you have utter fucking illiterates and philistines who believe that only western writers, thinkers or philosophers came up with anything good. New flash, many, many of the western writers took their influence from non-western sources.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

I mean

Every culture does that, though? If anything, Americans appreciating the works of the Greeks is as widespread and diverse as a culture can possibly get.

Every couple of years Chinese make a new Sun Wukong move, TV show, or videogame. Tibetan Monks and the Dali Lama are a huge cultural phenomenon all over the world. Wuxia/Xianxia based on old Taoism writings and diagrams are popular in all forms of media. Period Dramas about the old aristocracy in Asia are a huge genre.

Koreans shove Korean dragons and Dokaebi into every medium they can.

Japanese love them some Shinto priestess main characters and Yokai stories.

Arabia's got thieves guilds, Solomon, and genies and other creatures of fire and wind.

Russia has Baba Yaga and Rasputin depictions.

Germany and western Europe have Fairy Tales, northern Europe is obsessed with Trolls.

India has a strong and proud history of racism, classism, Hinduism, nepotism, sexism, I don't really remember where I was going with this point, tbh.

Africa... Honestly, Africa might need more time to recover, idk what their cultural epics entail... I do like Shaka Zulu's vibe, tho.

That's how culture works. The differences and uniqueness make them worth experiencing, and why people work so hard to preserve them in perpetuity across many generations. Except India. Idk y tf they're doing that shit.

They could all appreciate some other shit, yeah, but that's not how culture works.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wait.. some people don't know the Odyssey?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

What! He never saw Wishbone’s the Odyssey?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

"the world doesn't revolve around your country"country Said the user from UK.

Silly anglophone countries, the world actually revolves around the chad mediterranean

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The American version has more Laser-shark-launching gun-swords though fewer exposed boobs.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Just play "Age of Mythology". Duh.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Its not even that great of a mini van. You can get better for cheaper!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

instead we studied useful things

Have you ever seen any British television quiz game shows? The amount of world geography and history most contestants seem to know is abismal, makes me scratch my head and seriously wonder what many of these people are doing there, in a game show about knowledge. What are they even doing there, in the delusion that they have a shot.

"What is the capital of Denmark?"
"Erm... pass."

This person's comment is just another drop in the bucket in the sorry state of things.

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