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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Okay, but any significant plans to make the launcher or store itself worth using?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wondering the same... just last week i found out you cannot view your library in the web browser, only your transactions. Even after all this time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

It has to be 100% on purpose to make you get the launcher. I tried to check out my EA games, and a forum post said they used to have it on the web, but not anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Free games are pure marketing. Don't confuse it.

They can take them away at their whim.

Their sole purpose is to get you used to using Epic over other services.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Pressing "Launch" is the same whether you're in Epic or Steam. I have like 40 games on epic and I've paid them exactly $0. In the same time I spent quite a bit on Steam. It's hard to see what value Epic is getting out of me from this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Here's an argument for Epic: Their international pricing is WAY better than Steam's. By what I gather, Epic is the go-to for many who live in low-income countries.

On the other side, their app still lags behind Steam by miles. For whatever unknown reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I never realized it before but you're right, in my country the games are 50% cheaper on the Epic Store than they are in Steam!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Because it's not just about you. Even if just 1% of people decide "Huh, I wonder what else is on there", hell even .01%, it's a win for them.

It's not about big gains, it's about attrition.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Same. I grab most of the free games every week, but for actual purchases I still use Steam. If I'm going to spend money on a game then it has to count achievements on my Steam profile.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

The goal is very simple, it's to get you to use Epic. The reason people buy their games on Steam is because people effectively have Steam start on boot. It's the default because "all" your games are there. You use gog or EA app or Ubisoft connect only if there's something that's not on Steam and you boot them up specifically to that one game.

So if you're Epic and you want to compete with Steam how do you do that? You grow the user's library to make sure they start up Epic instead of Steam and you get them in the habit of logging in. Both are accomplished by giving our free games.

It's probably not effective on the old timers who have 100+ games on Steam, but people like me are not the target audience. It's aimed at younger people who don't have a huge steam library and can't really afford to buy a lot of games.

Tldr: Epic is giving away free games to become the default store for the next generation of gamers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A lot of the free games also have DLC for sale. If you play the free game and enjoy it, odds are that it is cheaper to get the DLC on epic instead of buying the game and dlc on steam. No idea how often that works out for epic, but it's one way they could make money back from free games.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I got Surviving Mars for free on Epic and really liked it, but I instead spent more money to buy the full game & all the DLC from Steam just on general principle lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I got civ6 for free from epic, played it for a while and decided I wanted the dlc, it was cheaper to buy the full game on steam plus all the dlc than to buy just 1 dlc from epic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The value is getting you not to use competitors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Funnily enough it made me just find ways to deal with all of them comfortably. In the end I buy from GOG or Steam or Itch. And still have hundreds of games on Epic and some even on Ubisoft's and EA's launchers.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I get into one of the Epic giveaway games sometimes but the launcher always feels like an obstacle rather than an asset. It's not software I enjoy using.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Use Heroic

And try launching games directly because it might be drm free

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Don't forget you can always backup and store all your games, the EULA companies make you sign don't substitute the laws: if they are selling you stuff, if the use the word "buy"... they either owe you a product or they are lying.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Epic gave away nearly 600 million ~~games~~ licenses in 2024

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

True of everyone other than GoG on that front, if we're being honest.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even GoG says straight up that they are only selling you a licence. The fact that they allow you to download installers for games, updates and dlc is heads and tails above everyone else, but if they close shop and you forget to download the installers, you're in the same boat as if you'd got those games on steam or epic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Luckily that boat can also be steered to the high seas.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I mean, sure, but I'd argue that is a totally separate boat. The boat we're talking about is the "paying money to not own something, even if you get a download that can potentially be stored indefinitely" boat, not the "maybe pay for an internet connection unless your neighbour didn't password protect their WiFi, and don't pay for anything that all comes as downloads that can be potentially stored indefinitely" boat....

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And they can take them away in a second

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair, the same is true of Steam, even with purchased games. We don't own anything but a licence.

https://www.thegamer.com/steam-digital-game-ownership-licence-disclaimer/

Conclusion: GOG > Steam/Epic

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Conclusion: GOG > Steam/Epic

How much do they pay you?

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-GOG-User-Agreement?product=gog

2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'license') to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but platforms like GOG and Humble Bundle often provide the actual DRM free software which can be installedd independently of their platform and license.

Steam and Epic are not like that. Steam typically requires us to use its launcher to play games, as they are tied to our Steam accounts. Epic sometimes actually allows one to directly access the game files. Of course, the level of DRM can vary depending on the specific game and developer.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

They took rocket league off steam. Well actually it's on there, but the servers will not connect via Linux

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (5 children)

i did my part. got about 40 of them last year.

epic freebies from 2024 played: 0

epic freebies from 2024 installed: 0

the only freebie of theirs i have installed right now is one of the CIVs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, any game I deem worthy to play, is worthy of my money anyway, so I would rather buy them on Steam/GOG.

I have some free games on Epic, but havent even had the launcher installed for like 7 years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the asset store is where you want to get every freebie.

There's a reason you can still only checkout with a single game at a time despite the asset store having a fully functional shopping cart from day 1.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Gotta think the vast majority go unplayed. Early on I was claiming them now and again, and the Subnautica giveaway was an absolute steal. Definitely something I had on my mental patient gamer list anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've basically stopped caring about the free games at this point. I mean I have a very full library of games there but most I already own on steam of gog and I haven't played any of them, even the ones during the recent holidays.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Right. At this point it feels a little like time wasted on collecting free games that never get played.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Steam is for paying for games that never get played. Most of us have hefty libraries.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That title makes it seem like they have made 600 million separate games free and not that they have had 600 million users claiming games they have given away free.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I suspect the contract means that they only actually pay for those that are played

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Pretty sure it’s a fixed amount to the publisher/devs for unlimited licenses during the free period, but varies by popularity of the game, according to documents from the lawsuit against Apple

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I only grab it if theres no demo on steam. If i like it i then buy on steam.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And yet they couldn't find the pocket change to keep the Unreal Tournament master servers up and games listed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I feel like they have some sweet deals with publishers that only when people download a game for the first time does the license get activated. Or you just have an IOU license. Just a speculation tho.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No need to speculate, the details were leaked a while back

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Ah, thanks! It seems like they just buy out the game, and they can give out unlimited licenses.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Interesting link, thank you!

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