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Between January 10 and January 12, after being warned that an EV rebate program was running out of funds, Tesla dealerships in Canada managed to claim 8,669 individual iZEV EV rebates, or about $43 million CAD in incentives. That’s a staggering number of sales to log in a single weekend, about 1.5 sales per minute. Let's dig into the numbers.

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[–] [email protected] 215 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Seize Tesla and Elon Musk owned property to make up the difference for obvious fraud.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 months ago (1 children)

eminent domain seizure and fucking liquidate them

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

This exchange reminds me of Soul Music

"I want a stagecoach with liver on the sides,"

"You mean Livery."

"That too."

RIP Sir Pratchett

[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 months ago

Elon now stealing money from Canada taxpayers. US taxpayers not enough.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 months ago

100% tarrifs will be a good start

[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 months ago

Xelon + fraud? No one is shocked.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 months ago

It makes me so happy that I saw protesters today in front of the nearby dealership. Elon a shit.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

Up next, Elon makes a sovereign wealth fund disappear.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Elon Musk will go down in history as THE EXAMPLE of greed and generational wealth will do to you.

He is the wealthiest man in history, but is still never satisfied. He will never be happy. And you can't convince me he is happy right now. His actions are not the same as a happy man, but one that is insecure. Literally every decision, action, and even conversation reeks of it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Powerful Crassus energy to this one.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Hopefully this will educate future generations to tax the everliving fuck out of the rich. American democracy has gotten worse as the tax rates fell.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

Somethings fucky here......

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So from everything I’ve seen about this situation, it looks a whole fucking lot like a massive amount of malfeasance from Tesla. I genuinely hope the Canadian government throws the book at them and absolutely reams them financially for fraud.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know. The US might hit them with tariffs if they do that!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's amazing how if you jump to tariffs the you have no real soft power left

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

People who don't threaten physical violence often... you know, softies, the part-time tough guys... they don't anticipate how long-lasting the negative reaction from their victims will be.

The annexation talk, the 51st state talk, none of that stuff will be directly linked to whatever counterpunch Canada cooks up, but it'll be hardening the hearts of the Canadian voters to be in favor of ever-more-draconian countermeasures.

I hope those Twitter threats felt great to issue, because we'll all be paying for those for a good long while on every agricultural transaction (among others!) that we make with our closest ally in the coming decades.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

Do the right thing Canada. Arrest warrants for all involved.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

imagine being the richest person in the world and still committing obvious fraud for a quick million.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Sounds like fraud to me

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Smells like fraud! Tesla is ran by a grifter. Canada better get their stuff together and arrest or ban Musk from business in Canada or he will have you acting like the US.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That black Cybertruck almost looks good... as a dystopian Sci-fi prop...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I saw a black one yesterday. It still looks like garbage in person. That photo is just unjustly flattering.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

They don’t come in black. Customers wrap them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

There are bits and pieces of the design that aren't incredibly offensive. But all put together, it just looks like a mess of a hulk.

The back end screams of 90's luxor. I was going to say that the hidden door handles are complexity for no advantage, but nearly every component reeks of that. It has one of the largest windshields in existence, yet, you still can't see out of it well.

Unless they're all detailed regularly, they look like they're dirty.

It's like someone looked at a delorian, then threw away everything they saw and tried to make a truck from a 6yo's drawing paper.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Damn. What's the difference between elon and a petty theif?? At least petty thief's have some morals. Elons moral compass is stuck in magnetic vortex spinning him out of control

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

A petty thief can only steal what you currently have. Elon can take away things that you don't even have yet.

It's a helluva thing killing a man; you take all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I think for those that wanted Teslas, they realized they have to buy them before the tariff war gets too hot. So ironically there's a surge of purchases

Ideology aside, they make some very good cars, and I don't blame people for buying them

[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Canadians are furious, but even considering an uptick to catch rebates this is pure fraud:

Let’s run the numbers:

  • 8,669 iZEV rebates over three days claimed by Tesla dealerships.
  • Mostly claimed by four Tesla locations.
  • Tesla dealerships in Canada are open from 10 AM to 6 PM.
  • That works out to 722 rebates per primary dealership per day.
  • Which equals 90 iZEV rebates per hour.
  • Or 1.5 Tesla sales per minute.

Let’s take a step back. Two Tesla sales every 90 seconds? That’s absurd. A good car salesperson might close two deals in two hours, not per minute. And that’s in a normal sales environment… not one where every eligible car has to be processed for a government rebate at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Is it possible some of these were liquidations or inventory sell-off or something? As a data person my initial assumption would be a few bulk purchases throwing this calculation out of whack

I could see some private dealership figuring out a way to buy the vehicles and resell them as a hard-to-get item later

Edit: down votes for asking a question? Y'all are weird. I'm not even saying it's not fraud.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If by "private dealership" you mean the Tesla dealerships themselves. "Buy" their own cars, pocket the rebate, sell the car later.

You know.

Fraud.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Do non-consumer purchases count as eligible for the rebate if they plan to resell?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea. That's why I was asking 🤷

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

So, the data has a "commercial" or "consumer" flag, Canada is apparently quite sensible and thought one step ahead of the shady things auto dealers might try - so we'd be able to see if it was a wholesale sort of deal, I think.

It wasn't, all the sales I saw were consumer flagged.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not for "asking a question"

  1. I suspect the professionals looking into this potential fraud are going to think of these things.
  2. when and how hard you choose to play devil's advocate says something about you.
  3. whether well intentioned or not this is Musk apologia at best, and excuses/misinformation at worst. I think our Transport Minister does basic diligence before asking for an investigation and having the story in the media.

We're all used to these "centrist" / "just asking questions" types and how they only crawl out of their holes to play devil's advocate for fascists, it's tired.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Lol check my post/comment history and see how fucking wrong you are

Literally caucused for Bernie.

Everyone is so ready to pick up a pitchfork that you fail basic reading comprehension.

I'm literally just trying to think of ways they could have EXECUTED this. I said nothing of the legitimacy, fairness, justice, or legality of the behavior

It is the bread and butter of capitalist fucks to operate just barely within the letter of the law.

This was never apologia and your (and others) penchant for picking a fight is toxic as fuck.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough, I'm not going to do a background check on every poster but I see that I was lumping your response in with the originator of the thread and could have given yours a more charitable interpretation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm just a journalist/comedian :) I got no dog in this fight, other than that the appearance of corruption in public programs is newsworthy.

If I'm ever unfairly positive about Tesla, do let me know. Most Tesla fans (and assorted grifters who grift in the same circles) say I'm actually the opposite, that I'm shield-biting Tesla hater, probably a paid Anti-Elon shill and maybe a $TSLA shortseller. They feel that way enough to send me threats from time to time. Neither take is true, but it's funny that I'm getting shot at by both sides.

If you find my stories interesting, you can do me a solid by sharing them on any subreddit or Fedia instance that you think would find them interesting. This publication is a couple weeks old, and that helps me get traction, it's wild that this story is only getting coverage by Canadian outlets.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sorry I've been imprecise again, I meant the root comment that's from Lung.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Ope, shit, I jumped the gun. My bad!

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even if there was a real run on Teslas, the numbers they claim to have sold are impossible. This is some sloppy ass fraud. The only way they could have "sold" that many was as fleets and if they did, I'd bet everything I own that it was money laundering.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

Canadian government thought of that. The sales are marked as either personal or commercial in the database. All the sales I saw were personal.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago

Tesla has always had problems with quality. In an attempt to increase profit and decrease production time Tesla has sacrificed quality control.

Many customers feel the need to do it themselves. So many do this that there are even people making money of it.

Tesla has always been like this. That's why they have mostly been cheap compared to competition.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago

Should be easy to verify those sales if they are legitimate.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

It was out of 4 dealerships. It's impossible to sale that many cars in three days from 4 dealerships, no matter how many people want to buy them. Plus no way was Canadian demand that high over a $5k rebate.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Ideology aside, they make some very good PR

They immolate people per vehicle sold than the ford pinto. The have absurd numbers of points of failure; until a few years ago each door handle had over a dozen sensors and wires, all exposed to moisture and thermal cycling, and cost $500 each. They use a few hall effect sensors now, but still cost >$500.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Yes, Tesla's safety record is horseshit, but:

They immolate people per vehicle sold than the ford pinto.

The report is that Teslas have the potential over time to be worse. 27 people died by fire in Pintos due to gas tank failure, pretty slim numerator vs. the denominator of millions sold, but it was made out to be a big deal at the time. I remember, I was there.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

When you make any climate policy other than a carbon tax (right amount is $300/ton = $3/gallon gasoline. Rebated at $4000+ dividend to citizens) you introduce corruption vectors.

What is likely happening here is that vehicles are sold with rebates to people who let it get resold as new, by same dealer, without rebate. Probably not illegal.

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