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[–] [email protected] 158 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is also why hunting vests are bright orange. Easy for humans to spot, and deer get confused by there being a fucking tiger loose in New England.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

I always wondered about that, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Apparently pink works as well, if a hunter wants a second color vest

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

That works on the same principle, except the deer thinks you're a panther.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 months ago (7 children)

So was it just random that their fur is orange and not green? As both would help hunt prey just as well. Or is the advantage of being orange, that it wards away other tigers and predators that might otherwise muscle into its territory and create conflict.

[–] [email protected] 187 points 2 months ago (7 children)

It’s also orange because mammals can’t produce green pigments, so orange is the next best thing if your prey is red-green colorblind.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Our primary outer protein is basically keratin, which can be tinted orange(carotene), beige (collagen) or brown/black (melanin).

The green pigment is a byproduct of bilirubin catabolism, which we don't have because we use a different pathway to metabolize and recycle it.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

more accurately, orange pigments are readily available. Nothing fundamentally stops mammals (or anything else) from developing a green. Note for example many animals have green eyes.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

From what I understand green eyes are a bit weird as far as coloration goes, as they look green due to the way light is interacting with small amounts of melanin in the iris (the same pigment that makes eyes brown) rather than due to green pigment. I’m not sure that could be replicated in fur vs in a liquid environment like with the eye.

Birds mimic green colored pigments with iridescence (except turacos, they have green pigments for real) in their feathers, but I’m not sure that’s something mammals can do structurally in fur the way birds can in feathers.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

This is probably an example of natural evolution/selection where tigers that had slowly evolved more orange in their fur naturally, were able to feed more. This in turn meant the orange triat in their genes was passed on more frequently and became more dominant in the population.

In a sense it was probably a "random" mutation, but when it became useful and effective it was passed down quicker.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is how evolution works. People often imagine some sort of logical system to it, but it really is just random mutations all over, with the advantageous ones propagating. There were probably a bunch of tigers with various odd colors or patterns at some point due to random mutations, but those evidently were less useful for hunting and reproducing than how they look now, so they died out in competition with the known variants.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Are there any green animals that aren't reptiles, birds or insects? That might be a clue.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 months ago

Meanwhile my colorblind ass:

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Do tigers themselves see themselves as orange, or are they genuinely surprised when humans easily spot them hiding in the grass?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago

My cats are surprised both by me seeing them sitting on an empty floor, and by other cats who they didn't see sitting on the floor.

So I can only conclude the answer is semi-perpetual amazement.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

They do not, like almost all mammals they are dichromatic! It's mostly us and some primates that can see in three wavelengths. Although interestingly enough, fish and birds can see in four wavelengths. Makes me wonder if that contributed to smaller cats being mostly gray and black, to just reduce as much light as possible?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The green image of the tiger is terrifying. You wouldn't see it until it's eyes or teeth were baring down on you in a lush green forest. Thankfully humans weren't it's main prey and therefore it likely evolved to appear orange instead...

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Umm, I've met tigers.

You need to explain to them that we're not prey, but they haven't figured it out yet.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

I think the key word is "main".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

fish are friends not food.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm colorblind and the images are nearly identical. Good thing I'm not in tiger habitats very often.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Same. Didn't even realise they were different images until after I read the text.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago

Tigers are generally crepuscular which means they’re most active around dawn or dusk, when the sun is very low in the sky. Their orange fur does not stand out so well when everything looks orange under the golden light of dawn.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you, evolution, for allowing me to see orange so I can get an head start and outrun a mother fucking tiger!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)

outrun a mother fucking tiger

You only need to outrun your travelbuddy.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is that why cats can be so ginger and still good hunters? My orange stands out so much in the garden, but maybe to dichromatic mice he's super stealthy?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Wouldn't a mutation in the deer sight to see orange be vastly evolutionary beneficial?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Only in areas with tigers, and then it would only express itself enough if there were enough evolutionary pressure exclusively on that survival tactic.

As long as other causes of death happen to deer in tiger territories and as long as speed remains a good survival strategy, minor mutations that would only provide an advantage in extreme specific scenarios like a tiger stalking them wouldn't have a chance to be spread.

There's also a whole host of additional brain power that needs to be dedicated to more complex colour blending and processing, and that may add enough delay to offset any potential gain in recognizing a threat.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

It could, but it might also lead to something harmful for the deer at the same time. I'm not sure if the gene affecting the deer's eyesight is known, but it could be a pleiotropic gene (a gene that influences multiple traits at once).

If that's the case, and the other effect is negative and somehow spreads through the population, it could become a future issue for the deer. Think about humansβ€”we lost the ability to produce our own vitamin C. Almost every other mammal can produce their own (except for hamsters). When this happened, it didn’t harm us right away, so it spread through the population. But over time, it led to issues that weren’t a problem before, like scurvy.

Same could happen to the deer.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Presumably yes, but its still down to a roll of the dice whether a mutation like that happens in the first place, and whether the individuals who have that mutation live long enough to breed, and whether that mutation actually gets passed down, etc

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

It's been far more important, evolution wise, to be agile and quick enough to avoid predators. Like a security camera can only tell you how someone was murdered.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Do the tigers know they are orange?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do humans know tigers are green?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No, they too are dichromats

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Desperately need me a community just for tiger facts like this and pictures of tigers. Greatest of the Big Cats

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Thank you for subscribing to Big Cat Facts

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Oooh I just thought nature was fucking stupid

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Almost like our eyes evolved to give danger its own colour.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (5 children)

this sounds dumb. if that was the reason then why arent they just green so that theyre camoflaged to EVERY animal and not just those with bad eyes

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Mammals don't come in green. We have 2 colours available to us, in different amounts: eumelanin, which is dark brown to black, and pheomelanin, which is yellow/red. We can mix those up in any way, or none (for white), but it'll never be green.

Now, many other animals don't have green either, peacock feathers for example, have brown pigment, but they have a structure that makes it look green and blue from wave interference.

Unfortunately, you can't really do that with fur, since you need to look at fur from all directions, not just the front.

So, mammals don't get green fur.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Then how do you explain this?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Evolution is throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks (by sticking I mean reproducing bc you have better traits). If every single one of their prey and predators have this color blindness then orange and green would have the same effectiveness and whichever trait comes out first. If a prey/predator evolved to have better color vision then it would quickly become a disadvantage and after millions of years it's possible they evolve to have green fur.

There could be other benefits like being easier to attract mates.

Also some animals can see infrared, so even if their fur was perfect for the environment they could still have issues by being spotted, in which case the color doesn't matter as much and the colors for mating becomes more important.

Edit: Wording.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

A) Evolution is not directed. If a pre-tiger happens to be a more advantageous colour, it will have more offspring. There is no goal.

B) An orange tiger has the same camouflage from its prey's point of view as a green one, which is the thing that really matters. There is only one species a tiger is afraid of, and it's humans. I would wager that the orange also happens to act as a signal colour, both to other tigers and other predators (such as humans). Less run-ins and less territorial dispute sound pretty good.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This must be utterly terrifying for them.

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