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[–] [email protected] 233 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Relevant quote from St. Basil:

"Who is the covetous man? One for whom plenty is not enough. Who is the defrauder? One who takes away what belongs to everyone. And are not you covetous, are you not a defrauder, when you keep for private use what you were given for distribution? When some one strips a man of his clothes we call him a thief. And one who might clothe the naked and does not—should not he be given the same name?

The bread in your hoard belongs to the hungry; the cloak in your wardrobe belongs to the naked; the shoes you let rot belong to the barefoot; the money in your vaults belongs to the destitute. All you might help and do not—to all these you are doing wrong"

[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

"Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’

Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

I have always loved how simply Jesus spells it out.

As a kid, I always felt it was so implausible that the Jews would kill Jesus. Yes he claims to be God, which is a no-no, but how can a message of peace and love be so divisive? As an adult, I've come to realize that it's divisive to people who are angry and filled with hate, to people who hate peace and love. The Pharisees of 30CE are the exact same as most Christians today. If you walked in to some Trump country Baptist church today and flipped over the collection plates and told everyone there they were going to hell because the want to deport immigrants instead of help them, you'd be shot for sure.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

you’d be shot for sure

Do you think it's a coincidence that MLK was only shot once he started speaking out against the rich and unifying the lower class (of all races)? I'm not saying there was a conspiracy (though I wouldn't rule it out) or that MLK was the second coming or a prophet, but it's pretty clear he started making the ruling class nervous once he started talking about class war.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's always a good time to remind people that MLK's family proved in civil court that the government killed MLK (either through intent or negligence) to enough of a degree that the judge was convinced and awarded them restitution on the charges. And the only reason that the case didn't go to a criminal court was because every judge who read the case refused it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Hell we have a copy of the letter the FBI sent to Dr. King instructing him to kill himself and save them the trouble.

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah but he also said to love each other, and people quickly realized that he was wrong.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 3 weeks ago

And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change...

[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You know, I'm something of a leftist myself.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That's not Jesus, that's Willem Dafriend.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago

You know, I'm something of a saint myself

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

There are no moral billionaires. Rich men do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. There are no billionaires in Paradise. In the end, every last one of them burns.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Unfortunately they’re doing their best to burn the rest of us in this life.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

They instinctively know where they belong, so they spend their entire lives trying to bring Hell to Earth.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"It is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than it is to pass a camel through the eye of a needle."

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago

It's amazing to me what logical acrobatics people will go to in order to avoid the simple plain meaning of this passage. The truth is Jesus was a poor person who hung out with other poor people and social rejects of all kinds. He was canonically born in a barn...for Christ's sake! To me, the message of Christ is quite unambiguous. Rich people go to Hell, same as murderers, rapists, etc. Being rich is a mortal sin. If you hoard enough wealth for a thousand lifetimes, sorry, you're going to the Pit. There's no way you can obtain that wealth except through the mass exploitation of the work of others. If you're a billionaire, and if there is a Hell, you're going there.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

In the end, every last one of them burns.

If there was a just god, they would all burn. But if there was a just god, they wouldn't get to be billionaires in the first place. Billionaires aren't worried about hell or the afterlife because most of them know deep down that there will be no repercussions for their unethical behavior.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't know where that candid jesus image is from but it has so much Dicaprio Raising Drink energy that if it hasn't been memed already then it should

[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Pretty sure that is Willem Dafoe from The Last Temptation of Christ.

And yeah, it has Buddy Christ energy.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 3 weeks ago

He's something of a messiah, himself.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I know there were a lot of things about Last Temptation that were very difficult for a lot of people to cope with, but to me the most challenging thing is Willem Defoe as Jesus H. Christ.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

WWJD?

Get apprehended and sent to a gulag in El Salvador.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

It’s funny you mention that because as I was reading the story of Garcia yesterday I couldn’t help but see parallels to the whole back-and-forth that happens to Jesus after His arrest. An innocent man yanked around by an unjust system.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I don't know who Colin Bodayle is, but from the responses he got from his students I think he is located in the US. There is rot in the US culture that's too deep, Trump is just it surfacing. Greed, individualism and selfishness are considered virtues, I noticed it when talking to coworkers there through the years. If Jesus ever went to the US he'd be crucified that is if he wasn't arrested at the border by ICE for being a Palestinian. The US claims to be a Christian nation, yet it is the furthest from it. What good is your religion if it doesn't make you do good? What good is your religion if it doesn't make you overcome your selfishness and greed?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also worth noting that the US is not and never has been a "Christian nation." Not only did the Founding Fathers specifically separate church and state for that reason, but they also didn't declare a national religion and enshrined religious freedom as well for that same reason. Plus, half of them were agnostic or atheists. Anybody who says we're a "Christian nation" is just using religion as an excuse for bigotry.

If God truly exists, he more so loves the atheist who questions the world around him than the Christian who blindly follows.

-Thomas Jefferson

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's the fruit of almost a century of anti-communist propaganda.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

According to the internets, "Liberation Theology" is a Christian movement that started in Latin America in the 1960s, that preaches against oppression. They sound like the opposite of right-wing "Christians".

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Jesus was a socialist

This is a reminder there is no such thing as a “Christian” just people who pretend to be so they have an excuse to act unchristian like towards anyone they envy.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

Jesus was a socialist

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

I was raised conservative Christian and I lost my faith in university. You're 100% right but I sometimes feel a strong urge to "convert" back but only practice the cool parts. Like I'd one-up christians and quote Jesus' most socialist verses at them. Maybe start a Facebook page about how the NT has been corrupted in this modern day, conspiracy-theorist style, but the hidden message is just Marxism.

I feel like somebody out there has embodied that, and I'd like to give them space to reclaim the word Christian for themself at least.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (28 children)

no such thing as a “Christian”

Huh?

Another socialist Christian a little more recent than Jesus: you might remember Dr. King. Christianity deserves much more criticism and this is an absolutely correct criticism towards most people who profess to be Christians.

But speaking so absolutely usually means you're wrong. There are plenty of Christians who actually follow Christ and are working to make the world better.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 weeks ago

Jesus is looking friendly, but also like he could totally go crazy and flip a money lenders table. It's hard to tell if he is dafriend or dafoe.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m going to say this as a priest ordained in Christ’s One, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church (Episcopal branch): that choice of Jesus image is chef’s kiss

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

Remember that the louder the Christian the less Christian they actually are.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is one of those shadow boxing christians threads. Yeah, maybe you all look cool in the mirror but they're going to wake up tomorrow with no idea you insulted their entire belief structure.

Don't get me wrong. I loved it when my dad asked, "when did you stop being christian" because I vehemently am against his every belief. I loved turning the tables on him and asking the same with regards to everything trump has said and done. End of the day though he'll just go back to his hidey hole, and myself too.

If you have religious friend you should try it. Call them on trumps shit and the when they invoke god, which they always do, ask, "who's god" because Jesus doesn't want this shit.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Christ's teachings were an inspiration to Marx

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Real Marxists know Marx didn't morally condemn the rich. He wanted the workers to take hold of the productive forces created under capitalism and organize it under a rational basis.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yup. The great issue with capitalism, is that it wasn't formally designed to enrich society as a whole. It merely is an upgraded iteration of feudalism. You can give a pig a top hat and monocle, but it is still a pig.

We will need a new Constitution, one built to acknowledge that Economics is power. The framers addressed politics and violence, but overlooked the fundamental impact that money has on society. Floors and ceilings on wealth should be implemented, so that the likes of Musk or Trump cannot exist.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Does anyone have that slide deck? Asking for a friend

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Weird how kings re-writing the Bible over and over again for thousands of years got rid of all the good stuff and left all the horrible shit....

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Oh man! I want that presentation for an Easter dinner I have coming up!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Capitalism makes us worship capital so we cannot worship God and then blames it on LGBT.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (20 children)

Jesus literally REFUSED to be dragged into ideological politics of his time (John 6:10-15)

He even defied those who tried to put him to test and force a political statement come from him against the current political leader, the Caesar, by trying to have him a forced position on taxes (Mark 12:13-17)

All this makes sense, as he himself said about himself and his followers that they are not part of this world (John 15:19)

He LITERALLY made his teaching revolve around god's kingdom, not any human ideology (Matthew 6:9, 10)

I mean FUCK, even Satan himself offered him to be the ruler of the whole FUCKING world and he rejected it flat out (John 14:30)

He did care about people, and alleviated the physical suffering of many, but he made clear his and his followers priority should be preaching and teaching God’s word (Mark 1:32-38)

And why wouldn't he, after all, part of his teachings are that all the world governments and ideologies are to be destroyed. (Revelation 16:14) Every. Single. one.

So anyone using his teachings to attack whoever and linking him to your ideology, calling him a representative of brand of collectivism, should get down from any high horse they think they are, it's not doing you or them any favor and they clearly don't know what they are talking about.

Case in point, people talking about a hell existing in the bible when there is none. That's basically all it takes

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

This is a lot of mental gymnastics going on here. Reading John 6:10 and Mark 12:13 as "Jesus wouldn't agree with Marx because Marx is of this world and Jesus is only about heaven" is a hell of a leap.

Your analysis would come off slightly less disingenuous if not for the fact that you're a very active poster in the conservative groups and not once have you raised any objection to the religious right being neck-deep in the running of the country. Seems like "don't co-opt Jesus to push your politics" only applies to leftists in your world.

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