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Hawaii rules against public carrying of guns without permit citing ‘aloha spirit’
(www.theguardian.com)
it's official: according to Hawaii, guns have no chill
this post was submitted on 10 Feb 2024
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They're tools designed specifically for killing, that's kind of the point
They are also damn helpful for defending life. A Smith and Wesson puts the daintiest of women on an equal field with the burliest of asailants.
Wow, he even managed to roll some sexism into that one
How is that sexist? I agree it sounds sexist, but is the content actually sexist?
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God brought us different, but Colt made us equal, blah-blah-blah.
The difference between trained criminal who started and dictate the situation and an unprepared civilian is just too big. Not to say about how seeing a gun or a sudden movement would trigger an instant attack. You overestimate reflexes of a regular person and their ability to use firearms. Self-defence gun in a bag is more of a risk for an owner and others rather than an affective detterent.
Guns should be. Under the lock. People who casually carry them around just in case aren't a solution but a problem themselves.
People who everyday carry guns, open or concealed, are either paranoid chicken-shit cowards or trigger-happy wannabe vigilante heroes. Neither is a desirable state of mind.
Or women defending themselves from stalkers or absuive exes. Or LGBTQ people defending themselves from much, much higher rates of assault than average. I know it's easy to get sucked into the us-vs-them mentality, but please remember there are plenty of people out there who have damn good reasons to carry.
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There is an increasing portion of the LGBT+ community who concealed carry. I don't blame them, given the current political climate.
While I don’t blame them and it’s the last group I’d go after, the contention still holds true: a frightened untrained person with a deadly weapon is more likely to cause another problem than to solve the first one
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That must be why the homicide rates in the rest of the world are so much higher than the US.
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Open carry does not pass the "vibe check"
I was just in Hawaii a few weeks ago. Both touristy and non-touristy areas. I can concur, would be a weird ass vibe if I saw someone open carry
Hmm here is an idea. What if we made a religion that was against open carry and was technically Christianity? Could we use the veto power religion now has over the Bill of Rights?
No. Religious arguments against abortion are actually relying on the definition of what constitutes a life, not the pure fact that their religion says it's wrong.
You can get out of military service this way though.
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at least theyre tryin
It was always that way, the problem was that they wouldn’t give out permits to anyone.
That's didn't feel like a problem. No permits, no guns.
That only applies to law abiding citizens. To be fair though this is Hawaii we're talking about so I imagine it's much harder to obtain a gun illegally there.
Considering the easiest way to get a gun "illegally" is to buy one in the bordering state with the most lax gun laws and then smuggle it back into your state, yeah, getting one in Hawaii is probably more difficult than getting one in Mexico.
I hate this argument because it shows just how little people know about gun laws.
It's federally illegal to buy a pistol outside of your home state. You can't just go to a gun shop the next state over and buy a Glock 17.
For long guns, the seller must follow the laws of the state in which it is sold AND in which the buyer lives.
When I sold guns and someone from New Jersey wanted to buy a rifle, they had to produce their New Jersey permit and I to do the New Jersey background check and waiting period on top of the NICS background check required federally. I had to reference New Jersey laws and could only sell guns that were legal in that state.
We had a spreadsheet we kept up to date with every firearm we had in stock, new or used, listing whether it was legal in each state.
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Well thats going to get shut down
States can ignore SCOTUS rulings now.
I'm surprised to see so many people supporting the actions of Gov. Abbott.
I don't think it's necessarily support. But if actions have no consequences then there's no reason not to? Not that it's a good argument but it's apparently reality
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Clearly. I guess this is the country now. Supreme Court rulings are optional unless the President decides to send in troops to enforce it.
I'm not sure why it would. Almost every state requires some manner of concealed carry permit, and it's not uncommon for there to be some manner of registration for some weapons, as long as the permitting and registration processes are "reasonable" and not designed to infringe on your rights.
The problem is Hawaii is not shall-issue as the vast majority of states are. One can be denied such merely because the official feels like it, despite fully qualifying and jumping every hoop.
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Almost every state requires some manner of concealed carry permit
Are you intentionally untruthful or just ignorant?
Is your definition of "almost every" LESS THAN HALF?
These are facts which are easy to look up and here you are spreading misinformation.
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Now only the police and criminals will have guns, and law abiding citizens will be at the mercy of both.
They could like, get a permit
No, you can't. Hawaii is not a shall-issue state. It's pretty much impossible to get a permit there. Also, criminals won't be getting permits so why should we make law abiding citizens get them.
Make the bad thing illegal. Don't make the tools or the intermediate steps illegal
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Have you seen, like, a single statistic about what uncontrolled gun distribution does to a country?
It's absolutely insane to have that many guns around you and somehow perceive that as some moral good instead of the very real danger it is.
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I can't imagine how sad you life must be to waste your time trolling on lemmy. But I hope the angry replies you get help you with your attention issues.
It's not a waste of time to stand up for the truth and not a waste of time to stand up for the rights and principles you believe in.
My dude, your post history is public. Anyone can go there and see you're just a troll that says controversial shit to get a rise out of people. You can keep up the act if you want, but no one is buying it.
Just go play roblox or something instead. It's a better use of your time kid.
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It blows my mind that people who correctly identify the reasons the war on drugs is a failure seem to expect the same policies and logic to work on guns.
Because gun laws have worked in other places. Canada, Australia, The UK, etc don't have this problem.
One of the best things the govt here in aus did in my lifetime, was tighten gun laws and buy back as many guns as they could. While we're by no means free of gun violence and homicides, we very rarely have incidents like mass/school shootings.
I would be cautious of attributing the falling rates of firearms related crimes to the 1996 buyback [source]. It can be argued that the rates were already dropping prior to the 1996 buyback. This can also be further shown in other countries around the world that didn't enact such laws. For example, all of western Europe has shown declines in homocide rates since the 90s [source]:
This matches up with Australia [source]:
And, it matches up with the UK [source]:
The same goes for the USA, and Canada.
we very rarely have incidents like mass/school shootings.
For the sake of clarity, here is a list of all the mass shootings that have happened in Australia -- from that list, I count 24 since the firearms buyback in the wake of the Tasmania mass shooting.
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Because guns are not the same as drugs. Hence the rules should be different.
Do you need target practice to shoot heroin? Do you seek self medication by going out and waving a gun around? for some reason one seems much less threatening to the general populous than the other
We’re all here wondering if this is to convince yourself, or just bad sarcasm.
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