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[-] [email protected] 145 points 1 year ago

One of the painful things about having studied philosophy is experiencing the fact that nearly everyone on the Internet are absolutely sure having read a few paragraphs about the topic makes them an expert.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I hope that one day people can call themselves philosophers without feeling cringey, because the world finally understands and respects it.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

I think everyone with a niche skill experiences that to some extent. Almost all posts about mathematics on lemmy attract people acting like they understand what’s going on while making wrong claims lol, I only rarely see comments that are fully correct.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah I expect climate change scientists would roll their eyes pretty hard at my post as well =)

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Hey, I'll have you know that I've read TWO paragraphs!

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Shit! We got an expert here! ;-)

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Same with studying anything and then seeing it mentioned on the internet.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I’m an engineer myself, and even I can see that the take on philosophy here is really unnecessarily disparaging, and doesn’t even really fit well into the joke due to a rather meaningful lack of pertinence.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

You're right! I read a few paragraphs about this.

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[-] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Astronomy is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat by analyzing the raw image data of several insanely sensitive cameras, then finding out what the cat looks like, what it looked like right after birth, where it'll be next year and what its gut microbiome consists of, based on a slight reddish hue in its fur.

Alternatively: Astronomy is like being in a dark room and saying "Something seems off. There must be a black cat in here."

[-] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago

There are certain behaviors of ordinary cats which can only be explained by the presence of "dark cats".

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Voids, one might say.

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[-] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago

Lol, all of those are philosophies. Philosophy isn't separate to science, or theology, of whatever. It's the bigger group they're all part of.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

The meme's accurate in that sense. All the others are also in a dark room looking for a black cat.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago
[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

You can put an exclamation point in front of the link to get the image directly

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

![](https://xkcd.com/435/)

You can embed the image, but I think you need to use the image link, rather than the comic page link:

![](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/purity.png)

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While true, be advised that some consider it rude to hotlink images without permission

Edit: as pointed out below, Randall gives permission to hotlink/embed on each comic page.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

The most useful branches of philosophy are important enough we’ve given them other names like “math” and “science”.

[-] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This meme is making these different disciplines answer questions they were never intended to answer. It's like complaining that a school principal isn't out there teaching students: that's not their role and it would be silly to expect them to do otherwise.

Philosophers would ask something like, "what is a cat?"

Metaphysicians would ask something like, "how can we know that the cat truly exists?"

Theologians would ask something like, "what does the Bible say about cats?"

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

The categories themselves also show his ignorance.

Metaphysics is a sub-discipline of Philosophy.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I love The Oatmeal, but yeah, this one's a miss

[-] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago

Remember, who made the flashlight for the scientist? The philosopher.

[-] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago

The amount of "science fans" dismissing philosophy is ridiculous

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I don't see this as being dismissive of philosophy at all. Science has always stood on the shoulders of philosophy. In the context of the meme, it established the possibility of the black cat existing. It's the baseline. Science then used tools to test the idea, while metaphysics and theology are off somewhere making unfalsifiable claims.

Judging by some of the responses, I'm in the minority with this interpretation.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

If it puts us in a minority to regard scientific achievement as owing a debt of gratitude to epistemology and empiricism, not to mention ethics and countless other branches of study that cannot be taken for granted, then so be it. To take science on its own as merely a self evident and wholly objective practice solely fit for solving problems and creating better technologies is as boring as it is anti intellectual.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

This meme is highly misinformed about how any of these academic subjects work though. (Meta)physicists and theologists don’t make claims, they research the consequences of certain assumptions. Most elementary sciences work that way.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I agree with the conclusion of your metaphor but I think that literally "the scientist" invented the flashlight.

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[-] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago

Metaphysics isn't looking for a black cat that isn't there. It's assuming that there is a black cat even though there might not be one, because flashlights don't exist yet.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Science is more like systematically searching the room while exhaustively documenting all findings to define every place the cat wasn’t, as well as where it was. Then you release the cat and do it several more times. Then you invite your peers to come in the room and try to achieve the same results, comparing their findings with yours, so everyone can have a better chance of finding the cat in future attempts.

Science isn’t easy. It is precise because it is tediously thorough.

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

But observing the cat with the flashlight fundamentally affects the cat.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The cat both has and hasn't knocked something breakable off a counter or table before you enter the room.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Could it be me who doesnt know what metaphysics is? No, a whole sub-field of philosophy is actually useless and none of them see it.

Also hilarious seeing "philosophy" referred to like its a method you can use and not a whole field including everything from ethics, political philosophy, philosophy of religion, epistemology, aesthetics, etc.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

tips fedora

[-] Taiatari 18 points 1 year ago

I think religion is represented wrong. It should read :

Being in a dark room looking for a black cat, believing that it is there.

I get where the OP is coming from and many religious people have been loud, vocal and hostile recently but it's not a core principle of religion to be that way.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Meh. Natural sciences and philosophy/methaphisics are quite closer/more intimately linked than you seem to think.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

To quote my former physics teacher:

If you remove maths from physics you're left with philosophy.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's the one that's in a perfectly lit empty white room, with a decently sized black cat thats covered in arrows flashing towards it with a loud siren blaring from it and signs saying "the cat you are looking for is right here!", who still can't find the cat?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Pseudoscience/conspiracy theories.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Problem: Can a black cat be found in a dark room?

Hypothesis: yes

Variable: flashlight

Control: no flashlight

Findings: "v" group found the cat; the "c" group didn't.

Theory: You can find a cat in a dark room using a flashlight.

Law: cats land feet first (indisputable)

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Physics is like shooting balls at the cat and registering the sounds of pain to draw a shape of the creature. Except that it turns out to be also a dog at the same time

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Philosophy is often more like looking for things that can't be seen with a flashlight but hypothesizing that they must exist and proving it logically.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Philosophy is determining that there is, probably, a cat in the room. And science is using a flashlight to find it.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

We wouldnt be in this mess if the fucking philosopher hadnt come up with it.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

You are in a pitch-black room and hear a noise. A noise you can't describe properly, you've never heard or seen this creature before but it has a high pitched wail.

A man called Philosophy walks in the room. He hears the cry and takes some time to think. He names this creature the cat and deduces that it must be as big as a bear and as fierce as a lion. This creature must be dangerous. He tells you stories about strange exotic creatures, ones with black fur and long tails. These creatures have nails as sharp as swords and mean only harm. He tells you to stay back and listen to his thoughts as he contemplates more.

Then another man called Theology walks in. He too hears the creature yelling. Over some time, he begins to listen to the different tones of the noise this creature makes. He hears a shriek and thinks it's telling you to get back. It hears a purr and tells you it's playful. He begins to think it's communicating and assigns meaning to the creature's noise. He tells you to have faith in his belief and to follow the creatures demands. He tells you to offer tithes and sacrifices so you too can find meaning in this creature.

And, finally, a last man named Science walks into the room. He hears the cat and listens to the others propositions. He sets up ways to test his hypotheses. He thinks the cat must be big, so he throws some food near the creature and hears its footsteps; they aren't stomps, they are something more elegant. He no longer thinks he and Philosophy were correct. Because he thinks it's no longer big, he walks up to the creature and tries to get a closer look. He gets bitten and falls back to the others. Over time he tells you that Theology and Philosophy were right on some things and wrong on the others. He admits that he can be wrong himself but will correct and change his understand of this creature as he learns. He also offers little answers to the creature's as the others. You don't understand exactly how he works, you are merely a layman with little education.

So, which of the men do you believe?

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